05 Nov: Anthony Barnett & Simon Maxwell: EoP Re: Open Democracy: We Need to Talk About Europe.

* Anthony Barnett … King Abdullah Bin Abdulaziz Intl Center for Interreligious & Intercultural Dialogue.
* Anthony Barnett, Simon Maxwell, Open Democracy, UK, NH, NAWA, Karim, Claire Provost, Benjamin Ramm, Diem 25, Yanis Varoufakis, Srećko Horvat, Slavoj Zizek, Stuart Holland, Dan Berger, European Alternatives, Bacaci Sjenki, Intnl Marxist Humanist, Nafeez Ahmed, The Canary, Valdai Club, Maxim Suchkov, Conflicts Forum, Aisha Ahmad, Abdulla Bin Zaid Al-Mahmoud Islamic Cultural Center, King Abdullah Bin Abdulaziz Intl Center for Interreligious & Intercultural Dialogue.
* 05 Nov: Anthony Barnett & Simon Maxwell: EoP Re: Open Democracy: We Need to Talk About Europe.
* Open Democracy: We Need to Talk About Europe. The Real News: Dimitry Laskaris: Yanous Varoufakis: So the idea is to start something that we’ve never tried before. The Canary: Brexit is about to usher in Third World Britain. Valdai Club: Alistair Crooke: Assad Will Win in a Fair Election. CBC Radio: Follow the money to understand why Islamist groups succeed, says Jihad & Co author.
* Tygae: EoP Leg Sub: EoP v Diem 25 / EoP NWO SCO: EoP Axis MilNec Evac: Lotto: EoP v WiP Law, EoP v WiP  Academia, EoP v WiP Media, EoP v WiP Charity, EoP v WiP Religion / EoP v WiP Neg.

From: EoP MILED Clerk <eop.miled.clerk@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 8:00 PM
Subject: EoP Re: Open Democracy: We Need to Talk About Europe
To: Yanis Varoufakis <yanisvaroufakis@gmail.com>, Srećko Horvat <srecko.horvat@gmail.com>, Slavoj Zizek <slavoj.zizek@guest.arnes.si>, “PT: Coimbra: Stuart Holland” <sholland@fe.uc.pt>, Dan Berger <danberger81@gmail.com>, European Alternatives <talkrealnet@gmail.com>, “PL: Bacaci Sjenki” <bacaci.sjenki@gmail.com>, Intnl Marxist Humanist <arise@internationalmarxisthumanist.org>

Open Democracy: Anthony Barnett, Simon Maxwell
CC: Diem 25, The Canary, Insurge Intelligence
CC: Valdai Club, Conflicts Forum, KAICIID InterCultural Dialogue.

Anthony Barnett: @AnthonyBarnett
Simon Maxwell: @SimonMaxwell001
Open Democracy: @openDemocracy; UK: @openDemocracyUK; NH : @OpenDemocracyNH; NAWA: @NAWAoD; Karim @ZidanSports; Claire Provost: @ClaireProvost; Benjamin Ramm: @BenjaminRamm

Diem 25, The Canary & Insurge Intelligence:
Yanis Varoufakis (yanisvaroufakis@gmail.com); Srećko Horvat (srecko.horvat@gmail.com); Slavoj Zizek (slavoj.zizek@guest.arnes.si); PT: Coimbra: Stuart Holland (sholland@fe.uc.pt); Dan Berger (danberger81@gmail.com); European Alternatives (talkrealnet@gmail.com); PL: Bacaci Sjenki (bacaci.sjenki@gmail.com); Intnl Marxist Humanist (arise@internationalmarxisthumanist.org); Nafeez Ahmed: @NafeezAhmed; The Canary: @TheCanarySays

Valdai, Conflicts Forum & KAICIID InterCultural Dialogue:
Valdai Club: @ValdaiClub; Valdai Club Russian: @ValdaiClubRu; Maxim Suchkov: @MSuchkov_ALM; Conflicts Forum: @ConflictsForum; Aisha Ahmad: @ProfAishaAhmad; Abdulla Bin Zaid Al-Mahmoud Islamic Cultural Center: @BinZaidQatar; King Abdullah Bin Abdulaziz Intl Center for Interreligious & Intercultural Dialogue: @KAICIID

Mr. Barnett & Maxwell:

EoP Re: Open Democracy: We Need to Talk About Europe

I am the EoP MILED Clerk on behalf of EoP Applicants [eop-applicants.tygae.org.za] whose preferences – aka what do we want – are available at Eco & Ego Literacy [ego-eco-literacy.tygae.org.za].

Re: Open Democracy: We Need to Talk About Europe: “Congratulations on your challenging book, ‘The Lure of Greatness: England’s Brexit and America’s Trump: How 2016 blew away the world order and how we must respond’. …….. Can we have that conversation? Let’s start with the ‘great intractables’, the global problems that really require global collective action. Climate change is top of my list, but that is because it is a topic I work on. Global poverty reduction is on the list, too, for the same reason. Security? Pandemics? International terrorism? Financial stability? Some would say containing Germany. I can make the case for Europe-wide collective action on the topics I have listed – and have done so, many times. But what is your list? And why?”

I don’t know if you welcome Ecology of Peace cultural [eop-v-wip.tygae.org.za] perspectives to your presumably consciously or unconsciously War is Peace ‘We Need to Talk About Europe’ cultural discussion.

Below are a few excerpts of EoP correspondence clarifying EoP TRC [eop-trc-ds.tygae.org.za] perspectives on how and why to end the WiP Cold/Class War intl law social contract, and implement an EoP intl law social contract; to enable cooperative resolution of Climate Change, planetary security, terrorism, economic stability, etc; for your consideration.

Imagine: EoP TRC Peace Treaty at 1919 Versailles, 1945 Nuremberg, Cold War:

Imagine if an EoP TRC Peace Treaty process had been implemented at Versailles, Nuremberg, or Fall of the Berlin Wall:

I imagine if the Versailles Treaty had been negotiated through an Ecology of Peace Truth and Reconciliation process, resulting in the implementation of an EoP international law social contract, Hitler would probably have been a happy little yeoman farmer in Austria or Germany, with Blondi and Eva, and nobody would have ever heard of him. Similarly Osama Bin Laden, Ramzi Yousef, Anders Breivik, Che Guevara, Joseph Stalin, Mao Tse Tung, Polpot, Charles Taylor, Fidel Castro, etc, etc, would probably have been happy little yeoman organic farmers in their villages in the Middle East, Asia or Latin America, etc. There would currently be less than a billion people on planet earth, all of them – of all races, genders and religions, entitled to their responsible freedom property ration of 7.2 gha at a population of 1 billion, or 72 gha at population of 100 million as per eco-footprint carrying capacity EoP Intnl law – living in responsible freedom villages and nations, as Aryans lived for thousands of years on the Steppe, Bushmen lived in the Kalahari, Chuckchi’s lived in Chukotka, etc.
– EoP Leg Sub: EoP TRC Draft Statements.


Valdai Club: Alastair Crooke: Ostpolitik, Middle Eastern & European identity, Unfinished Business of WWII & Cold War.

“The [Middle East] region always appreciates states that have a clear direction in which they want to go. Whether they like the direction or not they appreciate states that are not uncertain, but know where they want to go, have a clear and consistent goal, and are tough about it. Thats the Middle East. ………… and the other is a clear vision and understanding by Russia as to what you want, and where Russia is going. And if you compare that to the American and Western coalition, people are not sure who they are supporting [in the Middle East] any longer. ….. The Middle East don’t want outside interference; until when they have problems; then they are begging outside powers for help; but local actors refuse to accept the help advised. …  The Middle East is in deep crisis of defining islam in contemporary world.  …..  I think also its important because there is a much longer term game in play for Russia, which is the future of Europe. And the future of Europe is now very much uncertain and in the balance. And we may see, partly exacerbated by the refugee crisis, but because of internal dynamics, that Europe has to reinvent itself, because it won’t stay as it is. And it also needs to reinvent itself as an identity. What does it mean to be European today. I mean what are European values? I mean no-one can really answer these questions. Europe was builty on the false basis of the promise of prosperity for all. There has not been prosperity for all, for some years now, since 2008, and in fact its getting much worse no in many parts of Europe. So what do we stand for? Where do we stand? And into that comes the question of the role of NATO, as the representative of the carryon of American occupation of Europe, but also as a means of Euopean foreign policy, is NATO foreign policy. Its not independent of it. And a strong sense in many of the European countries that actually we have to deal with the unfinished business of the second world war. The outcome of the Second World War was not won on the beaches of Normandy but was won in Stalingrad. A huge loss of life. That was the fundamental defeat of Germany. At the end of that war, Germany understood the need to come to terms with its situation, and asked France to gulleverize it, if you will, but it tipped the whole of the European balance towards the Atlantic, which was quite suitable for the Americans at that point. But the Berlin Wall meant that there was no reconciliation with Russia. The wall came down and then it was stopped. There was no sense of the psychological need, if you like to get passed that period. And after that NATO has pushed, pushed, pushed the walls closer and closer to Russia’s frontiers, the missiles and tanks upto its borders. Europe, if it is to survive needs to address this fundamental question about ostpolitik; and this was the point that was made very clearly earlier. What was it that Germany did not say No, to Clinton when he proposed moving the frontiers of NATO further and further upto Russia? Its the real issue, also partly because the German leadership of Europe is now quite vulnerable. Mrs Merkel is still Chancellor, but its not clear that she will survive politically. And then what do we have? At the moment we have a German Union, I mean we have to be frank, Germany is the hegemon of the European Union; and many states are uncomfortable about that. I think ultimately Europe must look to ultimately going back to more of a concert of Europe, if its going to find any independence and autonomy. But before that we are going to go through a crisis, because the refugee crisis is going to move us to more right wing populist. The states are fighting each other, but out of this I think will come some sense of how do we undo the .. how do we find a way to get past the legacy of the second world war. I think that is something that we see that President Putin very carefully understands in the way he works with Europe. I mean given the sorts of snubs and insults that come from Europe, its clear that he is working to an agenda of understanding, that when you look at most of these areas in Europe you find that there are large elements of opinon that favour closer relations with Russia. …..  I think this will become an important point.” – Valdai Club: Alistair Crooke: Assad Will Win in a Fair Election.
» IG: 17-10-27_eopvwip-rulespollution.


Global Economic Collapse & EoP or WiP Deindustrialization & Depopulation.

I don’t know if you are aware of this information; but Ecology of Peace culture has been having a legal discussion focused on the root causes of all the aforementioned socio-economic and psycho-political problems being whined about; i.e. about reforming or abolishing the ‘right to breed and consume with total disregard for ecological carrying capacity limits’ clauses of the international law social contract; and options for implementing an Ecology of Peace international law social contract; that requires all the worlds citizens from all races, religions and cultures to procreate and consume below ecological carrying capacity limits.

Are you willing to change the conversation; to have a conversation that has not been had before; to have a conversation about – ecological overshoot resource depletion tipping points and resource conflict – national resource shrinking lifeboats decision-making about ‘whom should be removed from the lifeboat aka national genepool; how should they be removed; how many should be removed; by whom and when should they be removed’?

Put simply: Europe, Africa, Eurasia, America: All of humans on Planet Earth’s choices are between Ecology of Peace humane, orderly and relatively non-violent deindustrialization and depopulation; and Masonic War is Peace extremely violent Mad Max race wars, religious wars, four horses of the apocalypse Armageddon deindustrialization and depopulation.

It is true that when the European Union and World economy collapses; perhaps together; perhaps subsequent to each other by a few years [Meltdown]; the socio-economic conditions shall result in the rise of either Masonic ‘left: communist’ or ‘right: Nazi national socialist’ wing War is Peace populist extremist political parties. Irrespective of whether the extremist populist party in any particular nation is ‘left’ or ‘right’; that Masonic War is Peace populist extremist party shall need to engage in culling of the populace; to reduce the nations populace to levels closer to ecological carrying capacity limits. Both left and right wing Masonic War is Peace extremist populists shall have their respective ‘racial, cultural or religious trash’ [Soviet Story] whom they shall cull from their national genepool; whether via Stalinist Ukraine like famine; or Siberian concentration camps [Soviet Story]; or Nazi-like concentration camps [US Army Nuremberg Documentary]; or American version Fema camps; or simply quickly and brutally Hutu-Tutsi style [Hutu-Tutsi]. There shall be mass culling. The decision-making about whom should and should not be culled; will not be based upon any racial, cultural, religious impartial ‘rule of culling law’ principle; but on the emotional hatred zeal of those in power; against perceived racial, religious or cultural group enemies; with no consideration whether individuals within that racial, religious or cultural group are guilty of the crimes; that some of their fellow racial, religious or cultural members are perceived to be guilty of by the respective Masonic Right/Left Extremist elite.

“Left right or right wing Capitalist WiP economic and population growth destroys the environment decreasing the nation’s resources. Left or Right wing Communist or National Socialist WiP economic and population growth destroys the environment decreasing the nation’s resources. The only difference is that Left or Right wing Capitalist growth does it faster and with greater economic inequality. When nations choose to follow a Masonic capitalist, communist, socialist, libertarian, Stalinist, nazi ‘right to breed/consume above ecological carrying capacity limits’ economic growth or population growth plan; they are buying a ticket on the Titanic. Whether they purchase a Left or Right Wing Neo Conservative/Liberal capitalist first-class or Left or Right wing Extremist Marxist/Nazi communist/national socialist third class steerage Titanic ticket is irrelevant. They are purchasing a ticket on the Titanic where the end sinking of the WiP capitalist/communist titanic economy; and mass covert or overt culling of ‘racial trash’ result is the same.” – amended quote of Albert Bartlett; Arithmetic, Population and Energy.
EoP v Diem25: 12 Feb: Diem25: EoP Simple Root Cause Problem Solving Recommendation.


Brexit & Donald Trump:

Nigel Farage has jumped off an economic cliff screaming “Independence Day!!!”, and he’s taking us all down with him. While Brexit will almost certainly usher in a new wave of austerity and impoverishment, it’s far from clear that Remain would avoid it.

Wherever you stand on the outcome of Britain’s EU referendum, hard economic reality is going to bite – and it’s going to bite hard.

The #VoteRemain camp made a point of highlighting the numerous warnings from economists that a UK exit from the EU would trigger an economic crisis. The #VoteLeave camp insisted that this was a doom-mongering lie.

It wasn’t.


Whether or not Britain actually exits the EU, everything is going to rest on the extent to which the government can ensure that we ‘leave in name’ and ‘remain in practice’, by rapidly negotiating a rehabilitated relationship that will allow the economy to stabilise.

What does this mean for the ideologues on both sides of the Leave and Remain debate?

Thank everyone for more austerity!

It means that neither Leave nor Remain address the fundamental causes of Britain’s economic woes. There are valid arguments on both sides. Leave campaigners are correct that the EU has grown into a monstrous super-state that lacks accountability. Remain campaigners are correct that the EU, which Britain played no small role in crafting, has provided a lucrative arena for UK businesses to thrive.

But the bizarre predicament Britain now finds itself in proves precisely that we’re caught between a rock and a hard place. If we remain, we’re screwed. If we leave, we’re screwed.

The reason for this is surprisingly simple, yet has been lost in the farcically shallow nature of the Brexit debate so far: the EU is neither the fundamental cause, nor the fundamental solution, of the core problems Brits care about. And that is why, neither remaining in, nor departing from the EU will address those problems.

Because the problem is that the prevailing global model of neoliberal capitalist economic orthodoxy is broken.

Notice the word ‘global’ here.

​This is not a British model. It’s not an EU model. It’s not just a Washington model, either. It certainly has Anglo-American origins, and has consolidated itself via a range of international, national and local institutions.

But it’s global.

Aim your disillusionment at the cause, not the symptom


You’re missing the mark if you want to pinpoint all the blame on any one political party, on one government, on one institution, or on just the EU. It’s all of them, together, collectively, systemically: it’s a system that is crumbling under the weight of its own chronic unsustainability.

Neither side of this political charade is going to address the real issues, the real causes, the fundamental need for radical systemic transformation to get out of the mess we’re in.
— The Canary: Brexit is about to usher in Third World Britain.


Climate Change and NTE Near Term Extinction

Re “near term extinction locked in by 2026.”

Onto the important issues. Yes, collapse of industrial civilization still beckons. Yes, human extinction is locked in by 2026. No, these false accusations from liars and fools do not falsify scientific evidence. – Nature Bats Last: All’s Fair ….?.

If EoP intl law is not implemented voluntarily or legally or militarily by 2020 or thereabouts at latest, yes I would agree its probably certain although I would not be sure of the exact date of overbreeding/consumption » loss of biodiversity » climate change » species extinction.

If EoP Scientific and Cultural [eop-scicultlaw.tygae.org.za] Responsible Freedom [responsible-freedom.tygae.org.za] intl law is implemented voluntarily or legally or militarily by 2020 or thereabouts at latest, enabling orderly and humane deindustrialization and depopulation; then near term extinction can be prevented.

For ex: If implementing EoP intl law one child policy reduce’s the number of births by 90%, and had been done in 2010, instead of 131.4 million planetary births in 2011 [Ecology: World Birth and Death Rates]; there would have been 13.1 M births; and the prevention of 117.9 M births.

There would have been zero planetary population increase from 2010; and the start of orderly and humane deindustrialization and depopulation, enabling lands formerly used to produce food or shelter products for these unborn/dead individuals to return to their natural grasslands and/or forests state enabling the resurrection of biodiversity for other species on these lands, enabling the Genghis Khan The Green EoP Reforestation Effect, removing millions and millions of tons of carbon from the atmosphere.

Implement [EoP – breed & consume below ecological carrying capacity limits – Intnl Law] Family Planning for [orderly & humane de-population & de-industrialization race, religious & cultural planetary] Revolution!

Deng Xiaoping introduced China’s one child policy in 1978-79, to halt – an average of 6 children per family – population growth. On 25 Sep 1980 an official public letter called on all citizens to adhere to the one child policy. The One Child policy was enacted and managed by the National Population and Family Planning Commission, through incentives, persuasion and coercion. Unofficial figures claim approximately 300-400 million births were prevented between 1978-2015. A 2008 survey reported that 76% of the Chinese public support the law. Less than 10% of Chinese families have taken advantage of the Chinese governments relaxation of the law to a two child policy; citing environmental and economic reasons for their adherence to the one child policy rule.
– IG: 17-08-30_garrettmurtaugh-cnfamplanning.

EoP v Guy McPherson: 29 Oct: Guy McPherson: EoP Re: WiP Near Term Extinction Statements about Guy McPherson.


Global Sustainable Security Wannsee ColdClass War Endgame: Resolving the EoP Scarcity Combatant v WiP Degenerate Question:

Either the current birth [& consumption] rates must come down [to below ecological carrying capacity limits, via the implementation of an EoP intl law social contract; enabling humane and orderly de-industrialization and depopulation return to living in harmony with to Carrying Capacity limits law] more quickly; or the current death rates must go up [in a WiP Financial or Military DieOff Clusterfuck]. There is no other way. – [EoP Amended] Robert McNamara

If u r right that Steve Paddock was targeting right wing conservatives; some of yr WiP white supremacist colleagues agree with Steven Paddocks motives to kill white degenerates.. EoP responsible-freedom or death is non-racial. If its ok for WiP RW Anders Breivik to kill LW degenerates, its ok 4 Steven Paddock to kill RW degenerates. EoP TRC [tc-v-rm.tygae.org.za] solution: simple definition 2 solve ‘Degenerate Q’ [eop-v-ussecstate.tygae.org.za]. – @EoPMiledClerk 05 Oct 2017.
EoP v WiP Military.

“I can see the price of war on every single one of the price tags in the bazaar. … There’s a moment where you fear in your body that any [responsible-freedom] rules are better than [WiP] no rules. If you have complete anarchy and no one is constrained in any way, then there’s nothing I can really do to protect myself. But if there’s a system of [EoP Scientific and Cultural Law] rules, even if I don’t like the rules, that at least I can think, how can I play by them so that I can keep myself alive.” – [EoP Amended] Aisha Ahmad; author: Jihad & Co: Black Markets and Islamist Power; CBC Radio: Follow the money to understand why Islamist groups succeed, says Jihad & Co author.
» IG: 17-10-27_eopvwip-rulespollution.

A copy of this correspondence shall be documented at EoP Legal Submissions [eop-leg-sub.tygae.org.za]


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