30 Dec: EoP Req for Info to Change My View: Kal Turnbull & Moderators

* Change My View, Kal Turnbull, Elizabeth Weeks, Innovating Democracy, Will Derks, Raoul Kramer, Rob Willer, Amy Bruckman
* 30 Dec: EoP Req for Info to Change My View: Kal Turnbull & Moderators
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From: EoP MILED Clerk <eop.miled.clerk@tygae.org.za>
* Date: 2018-12-30 17:41
Subject: EoP Req for Info to Change My View: Kal Turnbull & Moderators
To: “Change My View: Elizabeth Weeks” <weeksleo@uga.edu>
Cc: “Innovating Democracy: Will Derks” <WillDerks@nimd.org>, Raoul Kramer <raoul@enabl.ist>, Rob Willer <willer@stanford.edu>, Amy Bruckman <asb@cc.gatech.edu>

Kal Turnbull, Elizabeth Weeks, Innovating Democracy:
TO: Change My View: Kal Turnbull via CMV Contact Form; Elizabeth Weeks (weeksleo@uga.edu);
CC: Innovating Democracy: Will Derks (WillDerks@nimd.org); Raoul Kramer (raoul@enabl.ist); Rob Willer (willer@stanford.edu); Amy Bruckman (asb@cc.gatech.edu)
Re: The Atlantic: Civil Discourse Exists in This Small Corner of the Internet; CMV: The good, the bad, and the ugly of CMV.

Kal Turnbull & CMV Moderators:

EoP Req for Info to Change My View: Kal Turnbull & Moderators:

Turnbull, Change My View’s founder, says that one of his goals with the forum is to encourage people to change the way they look at admitting that they’ve encountered a perspective or a fact that they didn’t know about before, one that has the potential to alter their opinion about an issue. “People feel that changing their view is somehow losing … that it’s this embarrassing thing,” he says. “We are trying to change that perspective.” To an impressive extent, he has succeeded. Johnson says that this attitude is what initially intrigued him about Change My View when he came across it three years ago. “I found it to be a unique place,” he says. “Most places on the internet, most places in the world, they reward you for being right. But this was a community that celebrates being wrong.” – The Atlantic: Civil Discourse Exists in This Small Corner of the Internet.

On the contrary, we consider it more likely that someone is trolling or looking to push a view (“soapbox”) if they come in with a view most people share. It begs the question why one wants that view changed. .. having a good conversation doesn’t require a “gotcha” moment where you lose and your entire worldview is toppled; it simply requires gaining an additional insight that impacts your view. – CMV: The good, the bad, and the ugly of CMV

This is a precautionary correspondence to enquire whether Change My View – presumably a conscious or unconscious Masonic War is Peace “WiP” culture media and publication platform – accept CMV posts from an individual who is a member of Ecology of Peace culture.

If there are any factual or scientific based errors in EoP culture – defn: group-shared system of thought and action that offers the individual a frame of orientation and an object of devotion [SQ Ref] – foundational principle views; I would prefer they be changed and corrected, sooner than later.

I read the CMV Subreddit submission and comment rules. I would like you to provide your consent for me to ask your CMV members to provide me with some sincere ego literate constructive criticism of EoP culture definitions, principles, values, etc. So I am checking with CMV admin first to confirm whether you accept CMV posts from an individual who is a member of an Ecology of Peace culture.

If you have any questions before making a final decision; I shall be happy to answer them in accordance to EoP Ego literacy [ego-eco-literacy.tygae.org.za] communication policy.

Summary of EoP Culture Goals:

EoP MILED Clerk engages in multi-tasking [mt-summary.tygae.org.za] – on behalf of Dalio Pittard [daliopittard.tygae.org.za] and EoP Applicants [eop-applicants.tygae.org.za] whose preferences are available at Ego/Eco Literacy [ego-eco-literacy.tygae.org.za] – EoP TRC to End Abel and Kane Cold War [eoptrc-akcoldwar.tygae.org.za] to implement EoP Scientific and Cultural law [eop-scicultlaw.tygae.org.za] as international law negotiations correspondence; to enable responsible freedom [responsible-freedom.tygae.org.za] orderly and humane – de-industrialization and depopulation [eop-v-wip-deindpopn.tygae.org.za], prisoner release [prisoner-pardon.tygae.org.za], land reform [eop-landreform.tygae.org.za] and denuclearization [eop-denuke-defn.tygae.org.za] – shut down of the WiP Ponzi Swamp economy [eop-sdwipecon.tygae.org.za].

Put simply: EoP culture advocates for EoP Truth and Reconciliation to End the Abel and Kane Cold War [eoptrc-akcoldwar.tygae.org.za] negotiations to  implement EoP Scientific and Cultural law [eop-scicultlaw.tygae.org.za] as international law.

The EoP advocacy focuses on (a) clarity and simplicity of EoP definitions, principles, rules and values: KISS: keep it simple stupid language enables concept to be easily communicated, understood and implemented by everyone; (b) encouraging individuals who agree with the accuracy of EoP culture goals; to cooperate [eop-cooperator.tygae.org.za] to implement [eop-nwo-sco.tygae.org.za] EoP Sci Cult law by signing their responsible freedom [responsible-freedom.tygae.org.za] oath [eop-axis-oath.tygae.org.za] and/or Ecology of Peace policy statements [eop-policy-stmnt.tygae.org.za]; to provide global leaders with a mandate to begin official public EoP Truth and Reconciliation to End the Abel and Kane Cold War [eoptrc-akcoldwar.tygae.org.za] negotiations to  implement EoP Scientific and Cultural law [eop-scicultlaw.tygae.org.za] as international law.


EoP Culture & SA Courts:

EoP MILED Clerk has not been able to find any South African lawyers willing to represent individuals who are members of the Ecology of Peace culture; but Pro Se Ecology of Peace applications have been accepted in South African courts, including the SA Constitutional Court.

The EoP TRC to End Abel and Kane Cold War Pro Se Amicus submitted – with consent from Concourt Justices [PDF] – to the South African Constitutional Court in CCT 23-10: The Citizen v Robert McBride [tc-v-rm.tygae.org.za] argued that South Africa’s Truth and Reconciliation Commission was negligent and/or a fraud, denying both sides – Apartheid and Anti-Apartheid – an honest enquiry into the root — right to breed / consume above ecological carrying capacity limits clauses of international law — causes of all planetary racial, religious and class resource conflict.
» IG: 17-06-02_eoptrc-citizenv-mcbride; EoP Leg Sub: 12 Jun: IAEA & UNODA: DRAFT: Consent to Ecology of Peace CVID – weapons & power – Denuclearization Definition.


EoP Culture and American Courts:

As of date EoP MILED Clerk has not been able to find any (a) US legal counsel – ACLU or otherwise – willing to legally represent an individual who is a member of an Ecology of Peace aka responsible freedom [responsible-freedom.tygae.org.za] oath [eop-axis-oath.tygae.org.za] culture; (b) US Judge willing to accept direct and/or indirect – EoP Amicus – Ecology of Peace applications to their court.
» EoP Leg Sub: 18 Nov: James Donovan Re: Abel McVeigh Doe v Gen Mattis; viz a viz John Doe v Gen Mattis.

My Pro Se application – Alien v Reporters Committee for Freedom of Press [apd-v-rcfp.tygae.org.za] – to the US Supreme Court to engage in a cooperative legal application that would have supported Brad Blanton’s Radical Honesty cult to apply for religious protection for Radical Honesty speech under the US constitution; were not supported by Brad and Radical Honesty trainers; and either declined by the SCOTUS judges from being heard, or blocked by the Supreme Court clerk from being submitted to the SCOTUS judges for consideration.

The SCOTUS pro se application was a result of an EoP Amicus submission filed to the US Court of Appeals for Armed Forces in CCR v USA [ccr-v-usa.tygae.org.za] – on behalf of Ecology of Peace and Radical Honesty communication values consideration for the trial of Bradley / Chelsea Manning; which was rejected by the USCAAF judges for alleged indecent language, profanity and intemperate language and lack of coherent argument.

Radical Honoursty and/or Radical Honesty language is not necessarily ‘indecent’. Its quite possible to have a sincere conversation with someone who is sincerely listening and engaged in an active listening correspondence, that involves no profanity or intemperate language. If however, one party is not engaged in sincere and/or good faith discussion; there are various options the sincere good faith party can take: (a) terminate the conversation; or (b) if the parties have a reasonable ‘we are both engaged in constructive criticism holding each other accountable’ agreement; then in such a Radical Honesty agreement the individual could hold the other accountable by doing a verbal ‘slap in the face you are not listening and being an asshole’. The judges presumably interpreted such verbal ‘slap in the face’ as alleged indecent language, profanity and intemperate language. As for alleged ‘lack of coherent argument’ I have no idea what part of the Ecology of Peace argument, they considered to lack coherence. If they had been willing to clarify the errors, I would have been more than happy to apologize and correct them; (c) request an impartial arbiter for a impartial opinion as to the issues in dispute.

Ecology of Peace ego literacy communication policy is documented at ego literacy [ego-eco-literacy.tygae.org.za].


EoP Re: Ethics aka Moral framing:

Change My View:

Some of the arguments on Change My View make use of a strategy called moral reframing, a concept studied by the Stanford sociologist Robb Willer that relies on a person’s ability to empathize and understand the point of view of someone who holds different values. Moral reframing means appealing to the morality of the person you are trying to convince rather than your own. Most people have a hard time doing this without being coached, even though it can be an effective means of shifting deeply held beliefs. This “moral empathy gap” is why it is difficult for those with differing political views to understand each other.

Willer says that two factors contribute to the moral empathy gap: information and inclination. Increasingly, Americans don’t have access to or don’t seek enough information to fully understand the opposite side’s positions. Their news sources may represent only one slice of the political spectrum, or they live and work in communities that are overwhelmingly red or blue. The second factor is inclination. How motivated are we to try to bridge the divides between us? What really widens the moral empathy gap is not attitudinal polarization—that is, how the public generally feels about policy—but affective polarization, which measures how much political groups dislike one another. While both types of polarization are getting worse, and have been for some time, affective polarization is getting worse faster, Willer says.

This is why places such as Change My View are so important; the forum is proof that some people are still willing to engage in good faith with “the other side.” Willer says he thought Change My View was an interesting thing to study because it showed that normal people could reach their political counterparts if they wanted to. “It’s not just political strategists … a motivated or clever or empathic person can change somebody else’s mind on something. It’s a reassuring thought,” he says. – The Atlantic: Civil Discourse Exists in This Small Corner of the Internet.

Ecology of Peace:

EoP Sci – Breed/Consume Ftprint – & Cult – Fully Informed Consent – Ethics:
EoP ethics is more pragmatic than ‘aint I a holier than thou saint self righteous crap’, it recognizes that potentially two individuals engaged in a fully informed consensual – golden shower, fight club or klan goosestepping – intimate relating experience is more honest and ethical, than two individuals engaged in a manipulative coercive deceptive ‘self righteous holier than thou publicly pretend ‘X is true’, while in secret freely admit ‘X is false, and fuck the dumbfuck morons who believe our X is true bullshit the public verbal diarhea’. It could be described as EoP libertarianism; because essentially libertarianism is not possible in a nation or on a planet where the social contract allows population and consumption to exceed carrying capacity limits, thereby constantly exponentially aggravating political correct conformity pressures.

It is quite possible for two families on an island to be tolerant of each other’s informed consent golden shower / fight club / klan goosestepping done in the privacy of their homes, when both families breed and consume below island carrying capacity limits, and do not require the other family to convert to their ‘golden shower / fight club / klan goosestepping’ informed consent religion. But if either family starts breeding/consuming above island carrying capacity limits, then its only a matter of time that family members will pretend to argue about the degeneracy of klan goosestepping/fight club/golden showers to dehumanize the other to steal their property resources, to satisfy their families growing procreation/consumption needs.

Then the foundation of Cultural law ethics is fully informed consent; the focus for an arbitrator shifts from (a) one or another group being able to use the legal system to coerce another group that ‘this or that offensive sexual or religious or racial behaviour is ethically right or wrong’; so as to steal their resources for their own groups overconsumption/procreation; to (b) was there fully informed consent between all the responsible breeding/consumption parties involved in the particular relating experience.

EoP MILED Clerk considers an ethical individual, as someone who is doing all in their power to voluntarily cooperate – preferably non-violently – with individuals who are sincere peaceniks /honourable warriors, to remove the obstacles preventing the the implementation of the highest form of ethical law available, namely – Ecology of Peace Scientific and Cultural law [eop-scicultlaw.tygae.org.za] as international law. If or where verbal or physical violence is required: physically non-violent quick humane slap across the face wake-up-call words, which may be offensive, but get the individual’s attention thereby avoiding the necessity of physical violence to wake up the obstructionist individual. Alternatively as a last resort: if or where violence is considered necessary [mil-nec.tygae.org.za] to remove obstructionist individuals and/or organizations or corporations, that such violence and/or if death is required: quick, humane with little or no suffering.
» EoP Leg Sub: 30 Apr: Daniel Richman: EoP Re: Comey Ethics US-RU Moral Equivalence; DJ Trump Fair Arbiter.


Change My View:

The result is that Change My View is the opposite of an echo chamber, where users reinforce the ideas that the group already holds and police anyone who tries to dissent. Instead, dissent is the point. – The Atlantic: Civil Discourse Exists in This Small Corner of the Internet.

Ecology of Peace:

Is it possible to argue with Putin? Of course, but only if you [are sincere and] have ironclad counterarguments [EoP definition of sincere – aka truthseeking to ascertain accuracy or error of any hypothetical argument’s evidence – is ego literacy: ego-eco-literacy.tygae.org.za]. – [EoP Amended] Vesti: Putin: 01.02
» EoP Leg Sub: 22 Jun: EoP Obs: Database Signals; Training Day Dyke IUD A’s to Simple Q’s: I don’t care do you; What do you want?; 12 Dec: EoP SciCult Law Property Ration Security for Honesty Academic Truthseeking.

A copy of this correspondence is documented at EoP Legal Submissions [eop-leg-sub.tygae.org.za].


Lara Johnson, aka Andrea Muhrrteyn [EoP Oath PDF]
Former MILED Clerk & Acting Clerk


Sent via Contact Form:

Sent: 30 Dec 2018: 19:00 hrs: Change My View: Kal Turnbull via CMV Contact Form.

EoP TRC to End Abel and Kane Cold War [eoptrc-akcoldwar.tygae.org.za] negotiations correspondence – on behalf of EoP Applicants [eop-applicants.tygae.org.za] – to implement [eop-nwo-sco.tygae.org.za] EoP Scientific and Cultural law [eop-scicultlaw.tygae.org.za] as international law; sent TO: Change My View: Kal Turnbull & Moderators is published at EoP Leg Sub: 28 Dec: 30 Dec: EoP Req for Info to Change My View: Kal Turnbull & Moderators.