15 Apr: EoP Req for Psych Doctrine Info to HPCSA & PsySSA.

* HPCSA, Kgosi Letlape, Hilda Baloyi, Eric Mphaphuli, Daphne Chuma, Priscilla Sekhonyana, PsySSA: Psychological Society of South Africa, Helen Dunbar-Krige, Garth Stevens, Tholene Sodi, Ronelle Carolissen, Suntosh Pillay, Maretha Visser, Avivit Cherrington, Curwyn Mapaling, San-Marie Aucamp, Mercy Tshilidzi Mashamaba, Boitumelo Diale, Umesh Bawa, Saths Cooper, Conquest for Life, Hannetjie van Zyl, Candice McCain, Fateema Seedat
* 15 Apr: EoP Req for Psych Doctrine Info to HPCSA & PsySSA.
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From: Lara Johnson <eop-leg-sub@tygae.org.za>
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 18:30:45 +0200
Subject: Req for Psych Doctrine Info
To: “HPCSA: Kgosi Letlape” <info@hpcsa.co.za>, Hilda Baloyi <Hildab@hpcsa.co.za>, Eric Mphaphuli <ericm@hpcsa.co.za>, Daphne Chuma <daphneyc@hpcsa.co.za>, Priscilla Sekhonyana <priscillas@hpcsa.co.za>, “PsySSA: Psychological Society of South Africa” <info@psyssa.com>, Helen Dunbar-Krige <helenk@uj.ac.za>, Garth Stevens <Garth.Stevens@wits.ac.za>, Tholene Sodi <info@sodiandpartners.co.za>, “PsySSA: Comm & Social Psych: Ronelle Carolissen” <rlc2@sun.ac.za>, Suntosh Pillay <suntoshpillay@gmail.com>, Maretha Visser <maretha.visser@up.ac.za>, Avivit Cherrington <avivit.cherrington@mandela.ac.za>, Curwyn Mapaling <curwyn.mapaling@mandela.ac.za>, San-Marie Aucamp <sanmarie@mweb.co.za>, Mercy Tshilidzi Mashamaba <Tshilidzi.Mashamba@univen.ac.za>, Boitumelo Diale <tumid@uj.ac.za>, Umesh Bawa <ubawa@uwc.ac.za>, Saths Cooper via Conquest for Life <info@conquest.org.za>, Hannetjie van Zyl <han@emlct.com>, Candice McCain <mccain@ukzn.ac.za>, “Exec Dir: Fateema Seedat” <fatima@psyssa.com>
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Attachment: 19-04-15_ReqCInfo.pdf; 19-04-15_ReqPInfo.pdf

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President Kgosi Letlape
CEO: Dr Manyangane Raymond Billa
Health Professions Council of South Africa
553 cn Hamilton & Madiba Streets, Arcadia, Pretoria, 0002
P O Box 205, Pretoria, 0001
Tel: 012 338 9300

President Helen Dunbar-Krige
PsySSA: Psychological Society of South Africa
P.O. Box 989, Houghton, 2041
Oakhurst Office Park, N Wing, Grd Floor, 13 St Andrews Road, Parktown, 2193
Tel: 011-486 3322

HPCSA: Kgosi Letlape & PsySSA: Helen Dunbar-Krige:

Req for Psych Doctrine Info.

I currently have two applications in the George High Court: Case H 51/19: LJ v GHJ et al [lj-v-ghj.tygae.org.za] and H 45/19: LJ v CRLRC [lj-v-crlrc.tygae.org.za], which include intersections between psychology doctrine and culture; as documented in attached excerpts of Request for Cultural and Psych Information Statements of Claim.

Summarizing: One of the ‘questions of law’ between applicants and respondents:

Are South African psychologists legal definitions of a mental disorder consciously or unconsciously based upon scientific law or cultural law; if cultural law: what are HPCSA / PsySSA’s reasonable professional cultural ethics policies to avoid cultures with different subjective cultural consent as to ‘normal behaviour’ cultural values from making erroneous negligent and/or malicious mental disorder allegations against individuals from other cultures, for not following their own cultural ‘normal’ norms and values.

Questions for HPCSA / PsySSA:

[1] Does PsySSA/HPCSA have an official policy as to whether PsySSA/HPCSA psychology doctrine legal definition of a mental disorder is based upon scientific law or cultural?

Scientific laws are based on objective scientific empirical facts.
Scientific laws summarize and explain a large collection of facts determined by experiment, and are tested based on their ability to predict the results of future experiments. They are developed either from facts or through mathematics, and are strongly supported by empirical evidence. It is generally understood that they reflect causal relationships fundamental to reality, and are discovered rather than invented. Scientific laws apply to individuals equally across cultures, races, religions, classes and genders.

Cultural law are based on subjective cultural norms and values.
Cultural laws refer to shared cultural or sub-cultural values, attitudes, standards, and beliefs that characterize members of a particular racial, religious, class, gender or professional culture and define their cultural frame of orientation and object of devotion. In a human mental disorder context, cultural laws refer to the idea, values, attitudes and opinions people in a racial, religious, class, gender or ideological cultural group hold with regard to ‘normal’ vs ‘abnormal’ conformity to their cultural or sub-cultural law values. In a fully informed consent multi-cultural community, society or nation, a cultural groups laws apply only to the individuals who have consented to the particular cultural groups cultural values.

[2] If so: Is PsySSA/HPCSA official psychology doctrine legal definition of a mental disorder based upon scientific or cultural law?

[3] If PsySSA/HPCSA official psychology doctrine legal definition of a mental disorder is based upon scientific law. Please clarify PsySSA/HPCSA legal mental disorder definition and scientific basis for legal definition.

[4] If PsySSA/HPCSA official psychology doctrine legal definition of a mental disorder is based upon cultural conformity law: What are PsySSA/HPCSA’s cultural ethics policies to avoid cultures with different subjective cultural consent as to ‘normal behaviour’ cultural values from making erroneous negligent and/or malicious mental disorder allegations against individuals from other cultures, for not following their own cultural ‘normal’ norms and values?

A copy of this correspondence is documented at EoP Legal Submissions [eop-leg-sub.tygae.org.za].

Respectfully,

Lara Johnson,
Pro Se, EoP Applicant [EoP Oath PDF]

Sent per electronic notice to:

HPCSA: Kgosi Letlape:
HPCSA: Kgosi Letlape (info@hpcsa.co.za); Hilda Baloyi (Hildab@hpcsa.co.za); Eric Mphaphuli (ericm@hpcsa.co.za); Daphne Chuma (daphneyc@hpcsa.co.za); Priscilla Sekhonyana (priscillas@hpcsa.co.za)

PsySSA: Helen Dunbar-Krige:
PsySSA: Psychological Society of South Africa (info@psyssa.com); Helen Dunbar-Krige (helenk@uj.ac.za); Garth Stevens (Garth.Stevens@wits.ac.za); Tholene Sodi (info@sodiandpartners.co.za); PsySSA: Comm & Social Psych: Ronelle Carolissen (rlc2@sun.ac.za); Suntosh Pillay (suntoshpillay@gmail.com); Maretha Visser (maretha.visser@up.ac.za); Avivit Cherrington (avivit.cherrington@mandela.ac.za); Curwyn Mapaling (curwyn.mapaling@mandela.ac.za); San-Marie Aucamp (sanmarie@mweb.co.za); Mercy Tshilidzi Mashamaba (Tshilidzi.Mashamba@univen.ac.za); Boitumelo Diale (tumid@uj.ac.za); Umesh Bawa (ubawa@uwc.ac.za); Saths Cooper via Conquest for Life (info@conquest.org.za); Hannetjie van Zyl (han@emlct.com); Candice McCain (mccain@ukzn.ac.za); Exec Dir: Fateema Seedat (fatima@psyssa.com)

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