16 Apr: H 45/51-19: LJ v CRLRC/GHJ: Re: Q of Law to HPCSA/PsySSA

* CRL Rights Comm, Kgositoi Sedupane, Edward Mafadza, Maureen Chauke, Obed M Semono, Kgaogelo Makgoba, Craig Lucas, Legal Practice Council, Kathleen Dlepu, JS Grobler, Frank Dorey, P Arnold-Mfusi, T Leope, Graeme Johnstone, Hilary Johnstone, Frode Moe, Lee Moe, Millers Inc, Arno Crous, HPCSA, Kgosi Letlape, Eric Mphaphuli, PsySSA: Psychological Society of South Africa, Helen Dunbar-Krige, Fateema Seedat
* 16 Apr: H 45/51-19: LJ v CRLRC/GHJ: Re: Q of Law to HPCSA/PsySSA
* Tygae: EoP Leg Sub / EoP ADR: LJ v Graeme Johnstone, LJ v Frode Moe, State v LJ, LJ v State,  EoP v HPCSA / EoP NWO SCO: EoP NTE GM: EoP NTE GMZA | EoP Axis MilNec Evac: Lotto: EoP v WiP Law, EoP v WiP  Academia, EoP v WiP Media, EoP v WiP Charity, EoP v WiP Psych, EoP v WiP Religion / EoP v WiP Neg.

From: Lara Johnson <eop-leg-sub@tygae.org.za>
* Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2019 11:22:30 +0200
Subject: H 45/51-19: LJ v CRLRC/GHJ: Re: Q of Law to HPCSA/PsySSA
To: “CRL Rights Comm: Kgositoi Sedupane” <asedupane@crlcommission.org.za>, Edward Mafadza <Eddie@crlcommission.org.za>, Maureen Chauke <maureen@crlcommission.org.za>, Obed M Semono <Obed@crlcommission.org.za>, Kgaogelo Makgoba <Kgaogelo@crlcommission.org.za>, Craig Lucas <craigl@lpc.org.za>, Legal Practice Council <info@lpc.org.za>, “Director: Kathleen Dlepu” <directorgp@lpc.org.za>, “Provincial Director: Gauteng: JS Grobler” <directorgp@lpc.org.za>, “Western Cape: Frank Dorey” <directorwc@lpc.org.za>, “KZN: P Arnold-Mfusi” <directorkzn@lpc.org.za>, “Free State: T Leope” <directorfs@lpc.org.za>, Graeme Johnstone <graeme.johnstone@gmail.com>, Hilary Johnstone <hilary.johnstone@gmail.com>, Frode Moe <fro.moe@online.no>, Lee Moe <lee.moe@telkomsa.net>, “Counsel: Millers Inc: Arno Crous” <arno@millers.co.za>
Cc: HPCSA <info@hpcsa.co.za>, Kgosi Letlape via Eric Mphaphuli <ericm@hpcsa.co.za>, “PsySSA: Psychological Society of South Africa” <info@psyssa.com>, Helen Dunbar-Krige <helenk@uj.ac.za>, “Exec Dir: Fateema Seedat” <fatima@psyssa.com>
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TO: H 45/19: LJ v CRL Rights Commission et al
TO: H 51/19: LJ v Graeme Johnstone et al
CC: HPCSA: Kgosi Letlape, PsySSA: Helen Dunbar-Krige

Kgositoi Sedupane et al:

H 45/51-19: LJ v CRLRC/GHJ: Re: Q of Law to HPCSA/PsySSA.  

H 45/19: LJ v CRL Rights Comm:

The EFT payment to Johannesburg North Sheriff’s office [04 Apr: H 45/19: LJ v CRLRC: Re Sheriff Service: 33 Hoofd St, Braamfontein] went through, but the EFT payment to Capetown West Sheriffs office [04 Apr: H 45/19: LJ v LPC: Re:Sheriff Service: 2 Riebeek Street, Capetown] account did not. I will have to go to town to make the payment to Capetown West Sheriff’s office at ABSA bank. Once done, I shall mail the LJ v CRLRC documentation to the Sheriffs offices, for service.

H 45/19: LJ v CRLRC & H 51/19: LJ v GHJ et al:

There are two ways in which a civil court case can be filed. In an application proceeding, the evidence is submitted to the court in under oath written affidavits. In an action proceeding the evidence is submitted before the court under oath verbally court. Our case is filed as an application proceeding: evidence is submitted to court in under oath written affidavits. Application proceedings are cheaper and quicker, and generally used where the issue in dispute is a matter of law not fact, or if a matter of fact, such matter of fact can be reasonably resolved by evidence in the form of under oath written affidavits.
» EoP Leg Sub: 14 Apr: Grg HCrt: H 51/19: LJ v GHJ: Self Representation.

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Summarizing: One of the ‘questions of law’ between applicants and respondents:

Are South African psychologists legal definitions of a mental disorder consciously or unconsciously based upon scientific law or cultural law; if cultural law: what are HPCSA / PsySSA’s reasonable professional cultural ethics policies to avoid cultures with different subjective cultural consent as to ‘normal behaviour’ cultural values from making erroneous negligent and/or malicious mental disorder allegations against individuals from other cultures, for not following their own cultural ‘normal’ norms and values.

Questions for HPCSA / PsySSA:

[1] Does PsySSA/HPCSA have an official policy as to whether PsySSA/HPCSA psychology doctrine legal definition of a mental disorder is based upon scientific law or cultural?

Scientific laws are based on objective scientific empirical facts.
Scientific laws summarize and explain a large collection of facts determined by experiment, and are tested based on their ability to predict the results of future experiments. They are developed either from facts or through mathematics, and are strongly supported by empirical evidence. It is generally understood that they reflect causal relationships fundamental to reality, and are discovered rather than invented. Scientific laws apply to individuals equally across cultures, races, religions, classes and genders.

Cultural law are based on subjective cultural norms and values.
Cultural laws refer to shared cultural or sub-cultural values, attitudes, standards, and beliefs that characterize members of a particular racial, religious, class, gender or professional culture and define their cultural frame of orientation and object of devotion. In a human mental disorder context, cultural laws refer to the idea, values, attitudes and opinions people in a racial, religious, class, gender or ideological cultural group hold with regard to ‘normal’ vs ‘abnormal’ conformity to their cultural or sub-cultural law values. In a fully informed consent multi-cultural community, society or nation, a cultural groups laws apply only to the individuals who have consented to the particular cultural groups cultural values.

[2] If so: Is PsySSA/HPCSA official psychology doctrine legal definition of a mental disorder based upon scientific or cultural law?

[3] If PsySSA/HPCSA official psychology doctrine legal definition of a mental disorder is based upon scientific law. Please clarify PsySSA/HPCSA legal mental disorder definition and scientific basis for legal definition.

[4] If PsySSA/HPCSA official psychology doctrine legal definition of a mental disorder is based upon cultural conformity law: What are PsySSA/HPCSA’s cultural ethics policies to avoid cultures with different subjective cultural consent as to ‘normal behaviour’ cultural values from making erroneous negligent and/or malicious mental disorder allegations against individuals from other cultures, for not following their own cultural ‘normal’ norms and values?

A copy of this correspondence is documented at EoP Legal Submissions: LJ v CRL Rights [lj-v-crlrc.tygae.org.za]; LJ v GHJ [lj-v-ghj.tygae.org.za]; EoP v HPCSA [eop-v-hpcsa.tygae.org.za]

Respectfully,

Lara Johnson,
Pro Se, EoP Applicant [EoP Oath PDF]

Sent per electronic notice to:

CRL Rights Commission: Kgositoi Sedupane:
Kgositoi Sedupane (asedupane@crlcommission.org.za); Edward Mafadza (Eddie@crlcommission.org.za); Maureen Chauke (maureen@crlcommission.org.za); Obed M Semono (Obed@crlcommission.org.za); Kgaogelo Makgoba (Kgaogelo@crlcommission.org.za);

Legal Practice Council: Kathleen Dlepu:
Craig Lucas (craigl@lpc.org.za); Legal Practice Council (info@lpc.org.za) Director: Kathleen Dlepu (directorgp@lpc.org.za); Provincial Director: Gauteng: JS Grobler (directorgp@lpc.org.za); Western Cape: Frank Dorey (directorwc@lpc.org.za); KZN: P Arnold-Mfusi (directorkzn@lpc.org.za); Free State: T Leope (directorfs@lpc.org.za)

Graeme Johnstone & Frode Moe et al:
Graeme Johnstone (graeme.johnstone@gmail.com); Hilary Johnstone (hilary.johnstone@gmail.com); Frode Moe (fro.moe@online.no); Lee Moe (lee.moe@telkomsa.net); Counsel: Millers Inc: Arno Crous (arno@millers.co.za)

HPCSA: Kgosi Letlape, PsySSA: Helen Dunbar-Krige:
HPCSA (info@hpcsa.co.za); Kgosi Letlape via Eric Mphaphuli (ericm@hpcsa.co.za); PsySSA: Psychological Society of South Africa (info@psyssa.com); Helen Dunbar-Krige (helenk@uj.ac.za); Exec Dir: Fateema Seedat (fatima@psyssa.com)

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Notice to Graeme Johnstone via SMS:

SMS to 082-492 4471 on 16 Apr 2019 at 12:04 + 0200:

16 apr update: lj-v-ghj-corr.tygae.org.za

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