30 Sep: EoP Re: Scientists Warning Wiki: Anti Greta Propaganda

* Scientists Warning, Stuart Scott, Alliance for World Scientists, William Ripple, Christopher Wolf, Mauro Galetti, Mohammed Alamgir, Eileen Crist, William Laurance, Andrew Marzoni, Greta Thunberg, School Strike, Janine OKeefe, European Climate Foundation, Daniel Donner, Fridays for Future, Eduardo Porter, Columbia Earth Inst, James Hansen, Lincoln Allison, Derrick Jensen, Cory Morningstar
* 30 Sep: EoP Re: Scientists Warning Wiki: Anti Greta Propaganda
* Tygae: EoP Leg Sub: EoP v Fridays for Future, EoP v Alliance for World Scientists / EoP NWO SCO: EoP NTE GM: EoP NTE GMA, EoP NTE GMUK| EoP Axis MilNec Evac: Lotto: EoP v WiP Law, EoP v WiP  Academia, EoP v WiP Media, EoP v WiP Charity, EoP v WiP Religion, EoP v WiP Psych, EoP v WiP Peacenik / EoP v WiP Neg.

From: EoP MILED Clerk <eop.miled.clerk@tygae.org.za>
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 15:28:50 +0200
Subject: EoP Re: Scientists Warning Wiki: Anti Greta Propaganda
To: “Scientists Warning: Stuart Scott” <contact@scientistswarning.org>, Team <Team@ScientistsWarning.org>, Alliance for World Scientists <scientistswarning@oregonstate.edu>, William Ripple <bill.ripple@oregonstate.edu>, Christopher Wolf <wolfch@msu.edu>, Mauro Galetti <mgaletti@rc.unesp.br>, Mohammed Alamgir <mohammed.alamgir@jcu.edu.au>, Eileen Crist <ecrist@vt.edu>, William Laurance <bill.laurance@jcu.edu.au>, Andrew Marzoni <andrewpmarzoni@gmail.com>
Cc: Greta Thunberg <GretaThunbergMedia@gmail.com>, “School Strike: Janine OKeefe” <info@fores.se>, “European Climate Foundation: Daniel Donner” <daniel.donner@europeanclimate.org>, “Fridays for Future: International” <international.media@fridaysforfuture.org>, Media <swe.media@fridaysforfuture.org>, Eduardo Porter <porter@nytimes.com>, “Columbia Earth Inst: James Hansen” <jimehansen@gmail.com>, Lincoln Allison <l.r.allison@warwick.ac.uk>, Derrick Jensen <derrick@derrickjensen.org>, Cory Morningstar <elle-provocateur@start.ca>
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TO: Scientists Warning Stuart Scott, Alliance for World Scientists:
CC: Greta Thunberg, School Strike for Climate:
CC: James Hansen, Lincoln Allison, Derrick Jensen, Cory Morningstar
Encl: EoP UN Resolution [CCT PDF; McVeigh 2020 PDF] Declaration [PDF]

Scientists Warning / Stuart Scott:

EoP Re: Scientists Warning Wiki: Anti Greta Propaganda.

Ecology of Peace hereby confirm the following observation:

Scientists Warning Wiki: Anti Greta Propaganda published 29 Sep 2019 00:44:00 +0200; approximately 24 hours subsequent to EoP Request for United Science Info correspondence sent TO: David Suzuki, Severn Cullis-Suzuki, Science Magazine and Alliance for World Scientists on 28 Sep 2019 14:44:43 +0200 [28 Sep: EoP Req for – United Science – Info to David & Severn Suzuki, Science Mag & AWS] providing Scientists Warning et al with a transparency copy of EoP Request for United Science Information to Greta Thunberg and Team Malizia [24 Sep: EoP Req for – United Science – Info to SY Team Malizia; 20 Sep: Access to Environment Info Request to Fridays for Future ITO Aarhus Convention]

Scientists Warning:

A Little Less Talk and More Action Please: We are here to support children already struggling in an increasingly toxic milieu. Anyone not here for that should simply get out of the way. Support Greta Thunberg and her millions of climate striking youth by joining the Global Climate Strikes, #FridaysForFuture,  eXtinction Rebellion, the Facebook Greta Thunberg Support Group, ScientistsWarning,TV, or just do one thing within your means for the planet today. …… Note: This page is in a very early draft stage and as with many wiki pages, it is a work in progress. It aims to introduce the topic of anti-Greta propaganda campaigns as it is related to climate change. – Scientists Warning Wiki: Anti Greta Propaganda.

“The world will have to start listening to the good scientists and not the ones paid to justify dodgy developments.” – Greer Hart; Scientists Warning: Team and Mission.

Scott succeeded in convincing famed climate scientist James Hansen, former Director of NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Science, to attend the climate talks that he had previously shunned as an ineffective sham, first to COP-21 in Paris (2015), and again to COP-23 in Bonn, Germany (2017). At COP-21 Hansen summarily dismissed the negotiations as ineffective by design, saying that it would instead ‘screw the next generation and all future generations’. In 2018, Scott brought young Greta Thunberg and her father Svante Thunberg, to COP-24 in Poland, from which Greta’s unwavering clear message to world leaders was amplified and her position cemented as the preeminent spokesperson for youth and future generations. – Scientists Warning: About Our Founder Stuart Scott.

Derrick Jensen and Brother Number Pol Pot Re: Science & Scientists:

“According to scientific culture, power exists only in how you use raw materials — the more raw materials you use more effectively than anyone else, the more power to you. And science is a potent tool for that. Thats the point of science. .[..]. The very epistemology of this [Taker] culture is based upon domination; such that how we know something is true, is by someone’s ability to make matter and energy jump through hoops on command and to predict what will happen and when. .[..]. Are hammerhead sharks better off, because of science? Is plankton better off because of science? Are traditional people’s better off because of science? I think the answer is pretty obviously, NO. .[..]. Science is based upon the ability to predict and on objectification.”

“Here’s another perspective: If you ask ten thousand scientists if they believe the world was created for human beings, and all evolution existed so that human beings are the apex of evolution. The vast majority of them would probably say ‘absolutely not’. Evolution has no point that way. Humans are not the apex of evolution. Its an absurd question and allot of them would laugh. But then when they are done laughing and they go back to work, what would they be doing? If you judge their answers by their actions, instead of by their theory, what you would find is essentially that all of them are working to make the world conform to industrial ends. Science is pernicious, its really harmful and it has been incredibly harmful to the natural world.”

“Science is the latest monotheism really. Catholicism said that outside the church there is no salvation, and science says that outside of science there is no knowledge. Another way to put all this is that monotheism has been the problem. Abrahamaic monotheisms, Christianity, Catholicism and Islam did the heavy lifting. They took the divinity out of nature and put it in heaven. They took the divinity out of this tree, and this dog and this flesh, and to put it somewhere out there. All science did was come along, much later, and turn off the light out there, and remove meaning from the world entirely. You don’t have to take my word for this. Once again Richard Dawkins is quite clear that the universe is meaningless. But he also says that we are put here to rise above nature, which is an extraordinary statement because why would you rise up out of something, and who put us here in the first place, when he doesn’t believe in any meaning whatsoever. But anyway, science is on the main incredibly harmful. Sure science is able to record that global warming is happening, and sure they are able to study species extinction, but why is global warming and species extinction happening in the first place? .[..]. It doesn’t help to study it, unless you stop it. .[..]. Catherine McKinnon says that law is how power organizes. I would say that science is the manual version of that. Law is how power organizes politically and science is how it organizes in physically.”
– Challenge Civilization Blog: Conversation with Derrick Jensen: 1: Deep Green Resistance; 2: Formative Influences; 3: On [Taker] Science; 4: Population, Collapse & Genocide.

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Pol Pot bears little resemblance to more familiar communist revolutionaries. Marx, Engels, Lenin & co. were intellectuals who saw the revolution in terms of a superior “scientific” understanding of the forces of history. Also, they saw the industrial working class as the most important force in revolutionary change. Pol Pot’s Cambodia almost entirely lacked a proletariat and he was hostile to those who did exist. He was an anti-intellectual who based his revolution on the peasantry, as far removed from Marx’s comments on “the idiocy of rural life” as it was possible to be. In fact, his role model seems to have been Jack Cade; I don’t mean the real historical figure, but the character in Henry VI, Part 2, who wants to start by killing all the lawyers and executing everyone who can read and write. This was Shakespeare’s grammar school boys’ nightmare and the Khmer Rouge under Pol Pot killed people for wearing spectacles, having professional qualifications or having pale skin.

Nevertheless, I concluded that though Pol Pot’s revolution was the most abhorrent of revolutions it was also the most coherent. The Khmer Rouge evacuated cities: most notoriously they insisted on evacuating Phnom Penh as soon as they captured it in April 1975. This was a ridiculous thing to do even on its own terms since it clogged up all the roads; at least twenty thousand people died in the first three days of the attempted evacuation. Later, they abolished money. All ludicrous and lunatic we might agree. But Pol Pot argued that if you allowed people to live an urban life there would be a division of labour, exchanges and accumulation and these would amount to capitalism. Memorably he remarked that if the people were allowed to return to the cities capitalism would re-emerge “within an hour”. Money allows accumulation, individualism, security and some independence, making socialism impossible. Socialism can only be achieved by remorseless and exhausting contact with the land, which alone can make humans as equal as blackbirds (though party leaders and enforcers, as necessary roles for the enforcement of equality, have, of course, to be treated unequally).

And here we must agree with Pol Pot. Subsequent history has proved him right: seventy years of supposedly trying to develop a new “homo Sovieticus” collapsed into a robber baron form of capitalism more or less within an hour. China took a more evolutionary pace of journey to capitalism. A genuine anti-capitalism denies the fundamental instincts of competion, accumulation and the search for security which define us not just as humans, but as mammals.
– Lincoln Allison: Pol Pot Was Right.
» IG: 17-08-20_brotherno1polpotwasright.

The Only Operative Question is: Whom Should the Military Kill?
» IG: 17-07-23_Climate Deal Badly Needs a Brother Number One Big Stick

 

Ecology of Peace Response:

Ecology of Peace culture is not anti-Greta or pro-Greta, or anti or pro any other conscious or unconscious environmental, revolutionary, legal or academic, etc Babylonian WiP celebrity.

EoP is pro EoP science and law, and anti Babylonian science and law.

If Greta is pro Babylonian science and law, then EoP is anti Greta’s Pro Babylonian science and law; unless Greta can explain in village idiot language to EoP village idiot MILED Clerk, why EoP science and law are strategically and/or tactically inferior to Babylonian science and law in terms of accomplishing any particular EoP shared consciousness strategic goal to be accomplished.

“If you can’t explain it simply, you don’t understand it well enough.” – Albert Einstein

“Define your terms, you will permit me again to say,” wrote Voltaire, “or we shall never understand one another.” – Counterpunch: “Nuance” in Politics and Public Policy? No Thanks.
» EoP Leg Sub: 23 Aug: EoP Re: Thomas Knapp: Nuance in Politics and Public Policy? No Thanks.

While countries might cooperate [to achieve a worldwide climate agreement] if they were absolutely certain of the tipping point that led to catastrophe, [Babylonian WiP] climate science doesn’t work like that. Experiments by Professor Barrett and Astrid Dannenberg from the University of Gothenburg in Sweden have found that where there is uncertainty, free-riding becomes irresistible, cooperation breaks down and catastrophe occurs. – New York Times: Climate Deal Badly Needs a Big Stick.

The greatest tragedy of mankind — or one of them — is that people needlessly hold wrong opinions in their minds. All opinions are not equal. And it is not the person we love or respect who necessarily has an opinion which really counts, at least not if they lack believability. Ray Dalio defines believability as follows: “Believable people as those who have repeatedly and successfully accomplished the thing in question — who have a strong track record with at least three successes — and have great explanations of their approach when probed”. From this he extracts another very valuable thought which many people who argue for the sake of arguing would do better to consider: “If both parties are peers, it’s appropriate to argue. But if one person is clearly more knowledgable than the other, it is preferable for the less knowledgeable person to approach the more knowledgable one as a student and for the more knowledgable one to act as a teacher”. … When two people believe opposing things, chances are that one of them is wrong. It pays to find out if that someone is you. …. holding wrong opinions in one’s head and making bad decisions based on them instead of having thoughtful disagreements is one of the greatest tragedies of mankind. ….. That quote is from Ray Dalio, the founder and Grand Poobah at Bridgewater Associates, the largest hedge fund in the world and a successful billionaire entrepreneur. Dalio likes to develop the idea of thoughtful disagreement, in which the goal is not to convince the opposite party that you are right, but simply to find out which view is true and then what to do about it.  Both parties must be motivated by a genuine fear of missing important perspectives. In such a situation it is about exploring the truth and not simply arguing. Or “winning” the argument. In reality, the winners of an argument, if there is such a thing, are those who leave the discussion having learned something. Whereas the losers are those who stubbornly cling to their thoughts, beliefs and reasoning without having given any consideration to the others’ point of view. – The Startup: How to have better discussions — the art of thoughtful disagreement; How to make better decisions: consider Believability.
» EoP Leg Sub: 06 Aug: LJ v LS CEO Req for Invest Info: Peter Blanken & Michael Burry.

SM Q: How do you create what you call a shared-consciousness culture? LJ A: If you want to recruit people like me; you are very honest; you answer my questions, you listen to my constructive criticism feedback, and earn my trust, about what exactly our ultimate ‘shared consciousness teams’ goals are. Everyone is required to abide by whatever our team rules are. If you want to recruit a bunch of fragile ego morons addicted to being flattered or bribed with ‘success’ or their ‘career’ or whatever the fuck their fragile little ego’s need to feel part of a ‘[insert feelgood psychobabble bullshit to appease individuals existential economic, racial, religious, class, gender insecurity]’ team; then of course you would tell them whatever the fuck you think the fragile ego snowflakes want to hear.
» EoP Leg Sub: 21 Nov: EoP: Re: Combat Consultant: Q&A With Retired General Stanley McChrystal.

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Ecology of Peace RH FR – aka Good United Science & Law – Shared Consciousness Culture:

Ecology of Peace definition of ‘good science’ or ‘united science’ can be summarized as ‘united in EoP Radical Honoursty Factual Reality [PDF: eop-rh-fr] village idiot science’. The EoP RH FR strategic goal is to implement EoP Scientific and Cultural [PDF: eop-scicultlaw] supreme law as international law. Individuals and/or organizations confirm their unconditional or conditional cooperator support for EoP culture strategic goals by signing their EoP Axis Oath [eop-axis-oath]

 

Ecology of Peace RH FR clarity re: Pro EoP and Anti WiP:

Put differently EoP culture members are:
[A] pro EoP SciCult law, and anti Babylonian WiP law.
[B] pro cooperating with conscious or unconscious Babylonian WiP individuals who are or potentially could convert to being pro EoP SciCult law.
[C] pro EoP SciCult law Ego/Eco literacy [PDF: ego-eco-literacy] character communication policy answering questions of conscious or unconscious Babylonian WiP culture members, who have questions about Ecology of Peace culture law, policies and principles.

EoP MILED Clerk does not require a formal – service by a sheriff – legal process for any request for information. An email with questions, or for a request for particular information or evidence is sufficient. All emails with a request for information – irrespective of the race, class, religion, gender of the author, or the size of their country, or whether they have zero police wo/men, or nuclear weapons – are given the benefit of the doubt that they are an honourable request for information and responded to in accordance with EoP Ego/Eco literacy [PDF: ego-eco-literacy] communication policy. No lawyers or Sheriffs or Judges required to get a buck stops here [eop-rh-cult-info] answer to any question.  EoP Responsible Freedom represents ‘walk our sincere peacenik talk’ path towards smallest government in the world. When every citizen in a nation is a responsible freedom [PDF: responsible-freedom] oath [eop-axis-oath] citizen aka volunteer citizen militia / sheriff: Babylon Masonic War is Peace factory farm slaughterhouse [Obama Deception: False WiP Left Right paradigm; Stefan Molyneux: The Story of [WiP] Enslavement; Human Farming: Our Enslavement; PETA: Sunny Acre Farms; ELS Ref] government is effectively abolished.
» EoP Leg Sub: 18 Mar: EoP Re NZ Police Req to Kiwifarms re 15 Mar Christchurch Mosque attack.

[D] pro staying out of the way of conscious fully informed consenting Babylonian WiP factory farm slaughterhouse culture members; and/or Babylonian WiP pretenders – those pretending to oppose some racial, religious, class, gender or ecological resource conflict symptom of Babylon WiP international law; while doing fuck all to advocate on behalf of abolishing the root Babylon WiP clauses of international law, causing the particular resource conflict problem they are whining about – who have no questions for EoP culture and want fuck all to do with EoP culture individuals.

Brad Blanton: That’s what you do when you grow up; you start having enough courage to tell the truth. What is bad about not being honest? You are wrapped up in your own mind. You are trapped in your own mind. You can’t do anything but think about what it is that you havent told somebody and how you are deceiving them. You keep thinking now who did I tell what. You can’t keep track of all the ways in which you modified what you reported to other people and so you end up thinking, what did I say, what am I going to do, what am I trying to get them to do for me, what am I trying to do to manipulate them. You are all wrapped up in trying to get people conned into doing what you want, and when you are wrapped up in that you don’t actually enjoy it when you get what you want, cause you know you just conned them into it. So a way in which you really enjoy getting what you want, is that you ask for it, and they say ‘yeah go ahead you can have it’, then you can enjoy it and be really happy, but if you conned your way into it you can’t enjoy it and be happy. So the idea is being able to be happy and be related to people and not be guarded and careful and protected and afraid of being found out. That’s a lousy way to live. Its a better way to live out loud, let the chips fall where they may, have a few hard times now and then but they get cleaned up when everyone tells the truth. … At about 12 or 13 we start playing a game of pretending that we are not pretending, when we are. We do that in order to play a kind of secret hero role to ourselves and try to get everyone to acknowledge us as being heroic and so we are going to pretend to be whatever we think will help us to get them to give us what we want. So when you learn to pretend that you are not pretending, when you are, thats a big problem, its called the major problem of adulthood, of our whole civilization. .. They lie to get what they want and when they get what they want by lying, they can’t enjoy it. Why don’t they just ask for what they want? Because they are afraid they might not get it. So they build a story to be able to manipulate others to get what they want. – Radical Honesty Channel: The Importance of Telling the Radical Truth; SHO: Brad Blanton: And Nothing But the Truth; Radical Honesty Channel: Radical Honesty: 01:02:03. [EoP RH FR: Caveat]

If Scientist Warning Founder and Team are all fully informed consenting conscious Babylonian WiP culture members, and/or Babylon WiP Pretenders; who have no questions for EoP culture and want fuck all to do with EoP culture individuals.

Apologies for bothering you with EoP culture information.

A copy of this correspondence is documented at EoP Leg Sub: [eop-leg-sub.tygae.org.za].

Respectfully,

Lara Johnson aka Andrea Muhrrteyn
EoP MILED Clerk [EoP Oath: LJ]
PO Box 5042, George East, 6539, RSA

Sent per electronic notice to:

Scientists Warning Stuart Scott, Alliance for World Scientists:
Scientists Warning: Stuart Scott (contact@scientistswarning.org); Team (Team@ScientistsWarning.org); Alliance for World Scientists (scientistswarning@oregonstate.edu); William Ripple (bill.ripple@oregonstate.edu); Christopher Wolf (wolfch@msu.edu); Mauro Galetti (mgaletti@rc.unesp.br), Mohammed Alamgir (mohammed.alamgir@jcu.edu.au);  Eileen Crist (ecrist@vt.edu); William Laurance (bill.laurance@jcu.edu.au); Andrew Marzoni (andrewpmarzoni@gmail.com);

Greta Thunberg, School Strike for Climate:
Greta Thunberg (GretaThunbergMedia@gmail.com); School Strike: Janine OKeefe (info@fores.se); European Climate Foundation: Daniel Donner (daniel.donner@europeanclimate.org); Fridays for Future: International (international.media@fridaysforfuture.org); Media (swe.media@fridaysforfuture.org);

Eduardo Porter, James Hansen, Lincoln Allison, Derrick Jensen, Cory Morningstar:
Eduardo Porter (porter@nytimes.com); Columbia Earth Inst: James Hansen (jimehansen@gmail.com); Lincoln Allison (l.r.allison@warwick.ac.uk); Derrick Jensen (derrick@derrickjensen.org); Cory Morningstar (elle-provocateur@start.ca)

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