16 Dec: EoP Re ND-JL: No, the Woke Won’t Debate You. Here’s Why.

* New Discourses, James Lindsay, Michael Rectenwald, Attack the System, Keith Preston, Kristie Dotson, Alison Bailey, Robin DiAngelo, Barbara Applebaum
* 16 Dec: EoP Re ND-JL: No, the Woke Won’t Debate You. Here’s Why.
* Tygae: EoP Leg Sub: EoP v Alt Right, EoP v MTM / EoP NWO SCO: EoP NTE GM: EoP NTE GMA| EoP Axis MilNec Evac: Lotto: EoP v WiP Law, EoP v WiP  Academia, EoP v WiP Media, EoP v WiP Charity, EoP v WiP Peacenik / EoP v WiP Neg.

From: EoP MILED Clerk [mailto:eop.miled.clerk@tygae.org.za]
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2020 11:09 PM
To: ‘James Lindsay’
Cc: ‘Kristie Dotson’; ‘Alison Bailey’; ‘Robin DiAngelo’; ‘Barbara Applebaum’; ‘Michael Rectenwald’; ‘Michael Rectenwald’; ‘Attack the System: Keith Preston’
Subject: Re New Discourses: No, the Woke Won’t Debate You. Here’s Why.

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TO: James Lindsay
CC: Keith Preston
Ref: 16 Dec: EoP Re ND-JL: No, the Woke Won’t Debate You. Here’s Why.

CC: Kristie Dotson, Alision Bailey, Robin DiAngelo, Barbara Applebaum:
Ref: 26 Oct: EoP Law Voter Ntc Re: Me Too Voters.

CC: Michael Rectenwald
Ref: 14 Dec: Filing: Clerk of Congress: EoP Law Voter Electoral College Vote (excl AZ) Registration with Clerk of Congress: McVeigh: 527, Trump: 0; Biden: 0. [PDF: pp.10]; Encl: FEC Filing: EoP Law Voter US Presidential Vote: EoP Law Voter Electoral College (excl AZ) vote: McVeigh: 527, Trump: 0; Biden: 0. [PDF: pp.54].

James Lindsay

Re: New Discourses: No, the Woke Won’t Debate You. Here’s Why.

I read it [New Discourses: No, the Woke Won’t Debate You. Here’s Why, via Attack the System].

As previously stated [16 Dec: EoP Re ND-JL: No, the Woke Won’t Debate You. Here’s Why] I am not a WiP law woke expert. My perspective on wokeness is from an EoP law woke perspective [eop-v-wip-law].

Shared epistemic systems of thought:

James Lindsay: That is, Dotson explains that when we look across identity groups, not only do we find a profound lack of “shared epistemic resources” by which people can come to understand things in the same way as one another, but also that the lack extends to the ability to know that that dismal state of affairs is the case at all. This, she refers to as “irreducible” epistemic oppression… [New Discourses: No, the Woke Won’t Debate You. Here’s Why, via Attack the System]

If I am accurately interpreting Dotson’s reference to “shared epistemic resources” by which people can come to understand things in the same way as one another”; it sounds like what she is referring to is very similar to Erich Fromms definition of religion:

A Culture/Religion is a Group-Shared System of Thought and Action that Offers the Individual a Frame of Orientation and an Object of Devotion:
Erich Fromm: To clarify, “religion” as I use it here does not refer to a system that has necessarily to do with a concept of God or with idols, but to any group-shared system of thought and action that offers the individual a frame of orientation and an object of devotion. Indeed, in this broad sense of the world no culture of the past or present, and it seems no culture in the future, can be considered as not having religion. This definition does not tell us anything about its specific content. People may worship animals, trees, idols of gold or stone, an invisible god, a saintly person, or a diabolical leader; they may worship their ancestors, their nation, their class or party, money or success. Their religion may be conducive to the development of destructiveness or of love, of domination or of solidarity; it may further their power of reason or paralyze it.  A specific religion, provided it is effective in motivating conduct, is not a sum total of doctrines and beliefs; it is rooted in a specific character structure of the individual and, inasmuch as it is the religion of a group, in the social character. Thus, our religious attitude may be considered an aspect of our character structure, for we are what we are devoted to, and what we are devoted to is what motivates our conduct. Often however, individuals are not even aware of the real objects of their personal devotion and mistake their “official” beliefs for their real, though secret religion. If, for instance, a man worships power while professing a religion of love, the religion of power is his secret religion, while his so-called official religion, for example Christianity, is only an ideology.” – SQSwans: To Have or to Be.

The EoP law culture woke perspective on this is as follows.

Both EoP and WiP law culture do have ‘shared epistemic EoP v WiP law realities aka EoP v WiP group shared systems of thought’ [eop-v-wip-law]. EoP objective reality [eop-rh-fr: mcv20: IA SoS Filing: PDF: pp.73-77/350]. I don’t know if the different WiP law culture elite – and their racial, ideological, class and gender subculture elite – individuals are conscious or unconscious as to their ‘shared epistemic WiP Law reality’. 

In religious terminology EoP law culture is a group shared system of thought and action that offers the individual a primary EoP Abel Steppe Aryan Law frame of orientation, the object of devotion being implementation of EoP SciCult law [EoP UN Resolution: lj-v-ls: PDF pp.25-66/70] as international law; where secondary racial, religious, class and gender existential identity realities will be provided for by Cultural Law Self Rule Homelands [cult-law-self-rule: lj-v-ls: PDF pp.34-35/70].

Put simply: WiP law culture is a group shared system of thought and action that consciously or unconsciously allows the individual to ignore their group shared primary Babylon War is Peace law frame of orientation [eop-v-wip-religion] reality; and negligently or intentionally substitute the individuals secondary racial, religious, ideological, class, gender existential identity as their primary existential identity reality in conflict with other WiP Law individuals and groups with different racial, religious, class, ideological, gender secondary-primary existential identity realities. The elite consciously or unconsciously profit from the Babylonian conflict and confusion.

Thomas Szasz: Animal kingdom, rule is: eat or be eaten; Human kingdom: define or be defined
Formerly, Americans charged with murder were considered innocent until proven guilty; now they are considered insane until proven sane. To concepts like suicide, homicide, and genocide, we should add semanticide – the murder of language. The deliberate (or quasi-deliberate) misuse of language through hidden metaphor and professional mystification breaks the basic contract between people, namely the tactic agreement on the proper use of words. In the animal kingdom, the rule is: eat or be eaten; in the human kingdom: define or be defined.  Man is the animal that speaks. Understanding language is thus the key to understanding man; and the control of language, to the control of man. Hence it is that men struggle not only over territory, food, and raw materials, but today perhaps most of all over language. For to control the Word is to be the Definer: God, king, pope, president, legislator, scientist, psychiatrist, madman – you and me. God defines everything and everyone. The totalitarian leader aspires to similar grandeur. The ordinary person defines some aspects of himself and of a few others. But even the most modest and powerless of men defines something no one else can: his own dreams. And we are all defined, as well: by our genes which shape us; our parents who name us; our society which classifies us; and so on. It has long seemed to me that some of the fundamental problems of psychiatry are really quiet simple: they center around a struggle for definition between the so-called mental patient on the one side and his family, society, and psychiatrist on the other. each party to this contest speaks a different language, whose content and consequences he tries to impose on his adversary. Although the context sometimes looks like a debate, it is actually a bitter fight for survival, and, like all such struggles, it is decided not by logic, but by power. If, as the Old Testament tells us, the First or Original Sin was the knowledge of good and evil, then the knowledge of clear speech was the ‘Second Sin.” At Babel, God punished man for this transgression with the Divine Confusion, and we have been misleading each other ever since. Dr. Thomas Szasz believes that it is this confusion of language that has produced much of the inhumanity, intolerance, and outright stupidity which today affect everything from our politics to our sex lives. – Thomas Szasz: The Second Sin.

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Society is divided into oppressors and oppressed:

James Lindsay: Secondly, the organizing principle of their worldview is that two things structure society: discourses and systems of power maintained by discourses. Regarding the systems of power, their underlying belief is genuinely that of the Critical Theorists: society is divided into oppressors versus oppressed, and the oppressors condition the beliefs and culture of society such that neither they nor the oppressed are aware of the realities of their oppression. That is, everyone who isn’t “Woke” to the realities of systemic oppression lives in a form of false consciousness. Members of dominant groups have internalized their dominance by accepting it as normal, natural, earned, and justified and therefore are unaware of the oppression they create. Members of “minoritized” groups have often internalized their oppression by accepting it as normal, natural, and just the way things are and are therefore unaware of the extent of the oppression they suffer or its true sources. In both cases, though in different ways and to different ends, the falsely conscious need to be awakened to a critical consciousness, i.e., become Critical Theorists. [New Discourses: No, the Woke Won’t Debate You. Here’s Why, via Attack the System]

EoP Law woke culture agrees that society is divided into oppressors and oppressed.

The primary oppressor is WiP international law, allowing beings calling themselves humans to procreate and consume above ecological carrying capacity limits, thereby enabling ecological overshoot, resource depletion manifesting as – poverty, racism, sexism, crime, violence, police brutality, war, climate change, etc – resource conflict oppression.

Put simply: The enemy of EoP law culture citizens is [A] WiP international law: more specifically the clauses of international law enabling (i) procreation and consumption above ecological carrying capacity limits; and (ii) WiP law extremists: individuals who publicly represent themselves as legal, academic, political, religious, etc resource conflict experts; who consciously and intentionally provide their clients with fraudulent resource conflict legal services advice; and [B] any individual who self-identifies and publicly represents themselves as a legal, military, political, religious or academic resource conflict peacemaker negotiator [15 Mar: Milgram Two, Eight, Thirty Five & Ninety-Eight % Decision-Makers] decision maker; who consciously and intentionally obstructs EoP law culture efforts to establish a legal or academic venue for an honest legal scientific evidentiary truthseeking enquiry into ascertaining whether any Milgram 2-35% decision makers objections to the implementation of EoP Scientific and Cultural law; are based on accurate or inaccurate scientific or cultural evidence; by providing (a) any WiP law extremist objectors evidence proven to be scientifically inaccurate the opportunity to withdraw their scientifically inaccurate objection; and consent to EoP SciCult law; and/or (b) EoP MILED Clerk to amend EoP SciCult law, if or where any WiP law objectors evidence exposes any errors in EoP SciCult law; enabling (c) EoP MILED Clerk to submit a scientifically accurate EoP UN Resolution [lj-v-ls: PDF pp.25-66/70] submission to UNGA / ICJ for a legal certainty EoP or WiP international law vote and/or declaratory order and/or ruling.
» EoP Leg Sub: 26 Oct: EoP Law Voter Ntc Re: Me Too Voters / Upd: EoP Req for – BB-Affid Status; RH Circle Fuckery Complaint – Info.

Globally there are two potential international law legal systems, requiring two different forms of agriculture and freedom; and leading to two different international and/or national economic and peace and war systems; with two different types of peacenik / military warriors [Summary EoP v WiP Law: eop-v-wip-law: PDF]. Abel Ecology of Peace (“EoP”) international law will require citizens to practice – procreation and consumption below ecological carrying capacity limits, and fully informed consent honest relating  – responsible freedom, and will lead to sustainable steady state – no population and economic growth – low tech sustainable subsistence agriculture agrarian economies [Thompkins Conservation: The Next Economy; NBC: Eustace Conway’s Turtle Island; RN: Russia’s Rural Villagers are Unphased by Economic Collapse; NH: Russian Family Gardens Produce 40% of Russian Food; TB: In 1999, 35 million small family plots produced 90% of Russia’s potatoes, 77% of vegetables, 87% of fruits, 59% of meat, 49% of milk]. Kane Babylon Masonic War is Peace (“WiP”) law allows cattle-citizens [Obama Deception: False WiP Left Right paradigm; Stefan Molyneux: The Story of [WiP] Enslavement; Human Farming: Our Enslavement; PETA: Sunny Acre Farms] the freedom to procreate and consume as much as they want, and practice certain forms of relating deception [IG: 15-07-31]; and leads to totalitarian agriculture [TSWabbit: Daniel Quinn on Totalitarian Agriculture: Excerpt: What a Way to Go: Life at the End of Empire] boom – slaughterhouse cattle feast – bust economic systems. In a global WiP international law system, everyone is consciously or unconsciously – lab rats on a treadmill – trapped in the growth-boom-bust [OKC: The Boom the Bust and the Bomb; FactXTract: Flatten Weimar Curve?; Crash Course: Exponential Growth & Power of Compounding; Growth Busters: Limits to Growth: Bacteria in a Bottle; World Population Balance: Understanding Exponential Growth; Al Bartlett: Arithmetic, Population and Energy] econo-legal system. The growth-boom-bust system can only be reformed – prior to bust collapsing – if a sufficient number of elite are willing to cooperate to abolish it and replace it with a legal system enabling orderly and humane degrowth return to a sustainable steady state system. Some are consciously – prisoners – trapped, others are unconsciously – prison guards – trapped [My Dinner with Andre: Guard/Prisoner Reality]. All Babylon War is Peace (“WiP”) Yum Yum Cannibal Boom Bust economy’s are economic systems where the Babylon elite unconsciously or consciously – some more honest and others with a preference for flattery deception – profiteer off race, religious, class and gender Yum Yum boom-bust resource conflict misery. One of the ways in which citizens are encouraged to increase consumption at even faster levels are through banking lending practices. It is not for nothing that usury [DC: Usury: Mathematical Fraud Explained; Bill Maher: Elizabeth Warren: Usury] – a financial growth symptom of Babylon WiP procreation/consumption growth law – was made illegal by some nations and religions, but those nations and religions failed to address the root – Babylon WiP procreation, consumption and deception law – causes of – among others – financial boom bust economic symptom of usury.
» EoP Leg Sub: 10 Jul: McV20: EoP Law A: WiP Law. Vusi Mohadi Q: Who Killed the Economy?; 16 Aug: EoP Law Peaceful Protestor Defn; TN: McVeigh EoP law Cons & Wiki Pedia Edit.

Its worth repeating that Mother Natures laws do set a single – procreation and consumption below ecological carrying capacity limits – standard [eop-footprint: mcv20: PDF: pp.69-72/350 | lj-v-ls: PDF pp.39-42/70] for resource abundance prosperity; for the inhabitants of any ecological system. Its also worth noting that in the absence of the beings calling themselves citizen voters cooperating to legislate international laws that obey Mother Natures single procreation and consumption standard of procreation and consumption below ecological carrying capacity limits [eop-un-res: mc20: PDF: pp.55-96/350 | lj-v-ls: PDF pp.25-66/70]; enabling orderly and humane deindustrialization and depopulation return to Mother Natures single responsible freedom prosperity standard; Mother Natures armies can and will Bon Voyage Motherfuckers all of the citizen voters armies – Pentagon [Global Observatory: Climate Change is Urgent Global Security Threat], Red Army [Reds: Trailer], NATO [NATO: Climate Change], People’s Army [ASPO: Al Bartlett: China’s One Child Policy]; Muslim Brotherhood [Reuters: Two is enough, Egypt tells poor families as population booms; Express Tribune: Justice Nisar: population control is Pakistans top priority after water conservation; Supreme Court recommends national task force for population control] – combined back to the stone age; as she has done many times before [Military Gospel: 11 Feb: NASA: Human & nature dynamics: Modeling inequality resource use in the collapse or sustainability of societies].
» EoP Leg Sub: 24 Jun: McV20: EoP Law Re: TAC: Here Come the Bourgeoisie Bolsheviks; 13 Jul: McV20: McV20 Q 4 Kudrin, Gref & Chubais: Putin mandate for EoP Woke Therapy?

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Woke people don’t debate unwoke people:

James Lindsay: Adherents to this worldview will not want to have conversations or debate with people who do not possess a critical consciousness because there’s basically no point to doing such a thing. Unless they can wake their debate or conversation partner up to Wokeness on the spot, they’d see it as though they’re talking to zombies who can’t even think for themselves. Unwoke people are stuck thinking in the ways dominant and elite powers in society have socialized them into thinking (you could consider this a kind of conditioning or brainwashing by the very machinations of society and how it thinks). We will return to this aspect of the problem further down in the essay. [New Discourses: No, the Woke Won’t Debate You. Here’s Why, via Attack the System]

EoP law woke perspective: It’s a waste of time to enter into a discussion with someone who has a different conversation agenda. If you both share a truthseeking agenda, then you will both benefit from the shared truthseeking agenda conversation. If you both share a fundamentalist debate agenda, then you will both benefit from the shared fundamentalist debate agenda. Its better to clear up before any truthseeking conversation and/or debate what the participants agenda preferences are, to make sure they are on the same strategic discussion path.

EoP law culture are looking for sincere ego-eco literate [ego-eco-literacy: lj-v-ls: PDF pp.36-37/70] unconditional or conditional cooperators [eop-axis-oath]; to build an EoP Axis Alliance [31 Mar: EoP Upd: Sergey Lavrov: Re: EoP Axis Alliance negotiations; 29 Jun: EoP Axis Alliance is an Honest Lives Matter culture] to implement EoP international law.

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Episteme Regime of Truth:

James Lindsay: The Critical Social Justice worldview holds that systemic power structures society, and systemic power is a function of which “discourses” are viewed as legitimate and which aren’t. That discourse-legitimation process, which is roughly what is described in the section above, is viewed from within Theory as a set of wholly political decisions, mostly because of the Theorizing of the French postmodernist Michel Foucault. Foucault held, among his many ideas, that whether or not a truth claim is actually true or not is mostly irrelevant because the interesting thing to focus upon is the political process that allows certain people (say, scientists) to be regarded as recognized authenticators of truths. This process is what shapes the prevailing discourses and thus defines, as Foucault had it, a “regime of truth” or “episteme” that dictates what is and isn’t considered true (whether it is true or not) and thus how society will be organized politically, socially, and practically. In particular, it explains what ideas will be considered accepted and acceptable and which will be considered unacceptable, unthinkable, or crazy. In this way, power, as “power/knowledge” works through everyone at all times, and this is the backbone of how Foucault framed the world. [New Discourses: No, the Woke Won’t Debate You. Here’s Why, via Attack the System]

My analysis: Focaults regime of fake acceptable truths are guarded by individuals who pretend those truths are real, because negligently or consciously they know those Babylonian – innocence for sale indulgences [08 Aug: EoP Law Re: Babylon – Innocence for $ale Indulgences – WiP Law] – truths cover up the WiP law duhmockery mafiocracy [mafiocracy] slaughterhouse [Obama Deception: False WiP Left Right paradigm; Stefan Molyneux: The Story of [WiP] Enslavement; Human Farming: Our Enslavement; PETA: Sunny Acre Farms] factory farm truth reality.

What happens to Focaults regime of irrelevant truths pretending to be truths can only function as the – academic or military or political – accepted reality regime of truth, when a Martin Luther or Sayyid Qutb comes along with a ‘truth’ so village idiot simple that the average layperson can understand it? Then the slaughterhouse Milgram 2-35% elite must decide whether to accept the village idiot objective reality truth into mafiocracy society consciousness or not.

Ecology of Peace Functional Interpretation of Objective Reality Transforming the World Constraints for Sincere Peaceniks / Honourable Warriors:
Ecology of Peace Radical Honoursty Factual Reality [eop-rh-fr] and EoP Scientific and Cultural Law [eop-scicultlaw] are EoP culture’s functional group shared system of thought and action frame of orientation and object of inter-species relating devotion interpretation of reality for individuals whose object of devotion/values include: (i) honest – race, religious, gender and cultural – relationships; (ii) an ecological carrying capacity based perspective of observable factual social contract reality; and (iii) non-violent cooperative root cause problem solving.

* Objective Factual Reality:
[1] Earth is not flat.
[2] Resources are finite.
[3] When humans breed or consume above ecological carrying capacity limits, it results in ecological overshoot, resource depletion and resource conflict.
[4] Some of the socio-cultural and psycho-political consequences of overpopulation & consumption collision with declining resources include: climate change, mass migration, poverty, slavery, unemployment, food shortages, food inflation, cost of living increases, urban sprawl, traffic jams, toxic waste, pollution, peak oil, peak water, peak food, peak population, species extinction, loss of biodiversity, peak resources, racial, religious, class, gender resource war conflict, militarized police, psycho-social and cultural conformity pressures on free speech, etc; inter-cultural conflict; legal, political and corporate corruption, etc.
[5] The root cause of humans breeding and consuming above ecological carrying capacity limits is the ‘right to breed and consume with total disregard for ecological carrying capacity limits’ clauses of the Babylon Masonic War is Peace international law social contract.

* Sincere Peacenik / Honourable Warrior: Interpretative Reality:
[6] If individuals, families, tribes, races, religions, political parties, corporations and/or nations sincerely – aka egological literacy [ego-eco-literacy] – want to (a) sustainably protect natural resources for future generations; and/or (b) reduce class, racial and/or religious local, national and international resource war conflict; and/or (c) enable honourable, transparent and humane international cooperative de-industrialization and depopulation of the planet to return to living in accordance to ecological carrying capacity limits; they should (d) cooperate [eop-cooperator] to nullify the ‘right to breed and consume with total disregard for ecological carrying capacity limits’ clauses and replace them with EoP Scientific and Cultural law [eop-scicultlaw] clauses that restricts all the worlds citizens to breed and consume below ecological carrying capacity limits; or be humanely eliminated from the planetary genepool.
» EoP Leg Sub: 16 May: LJ v LS Court Filing: NoM Afd & EoP UN Res [PDF] EoP Scientific and Cultural Law [PDF]; EoP Footprint [PDF]; EoP Radical Honoursty Factual Reality [PDF]

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Today: You know there is alot of misinformation out there. And there are people of good faith hearing that misinformation. So I am asking you sir in a way to show your work. How do you know? How do you know this election was secure? Chris Krebs: Its a kind of Keep it Simple Stupid approach. Paper. Paper ballots. Ninety-five percent of votes cast in the 2020 election had a voter verifiable audit trail. That means that the voters intent is registered on the paper. The voter can check that, and then regardless of what happens next in a canvass, audit and recount process, if there is some sort of machine that is compromised; there are subsequent checks like we just saw in Georgia with that hand recount of every ballot; and the outcome was consistent. So again the ability to go back, you effectively have the receipts, and you can check the outcomes. [TODAY: Former US Election Security Chief Reacts to Comment that he should be Shot]
» EoP Leg Sub: 13 Dec: EoP Law Voter Ntc: Re: NewsGuardTech Election Mis/Information Tracker; Trump election fraud special counsel / EoP Law Q Re: IR v RZam: What is AI, CPJ & RSF/Emory Univ Defn Sincere Peacenik Journalist/Academic?

EoP MILED Clerk: EoP Law Ballot Voter Registration: One responsible freedom oath [eop-axis-oath: LJ] wo/man ballot; one vote.
» EoP Leg Sub: 01 Dec: EoP Ntc CISA: EoP Law voter USA 2020 Pres Election Results; 14 Dec: Filing: Clerk of Congress: EoP Law Voter Electoral College Vote (excl AZ) Registration with Clerk of Congress: McVeigh: 527, Trump: 0; Biden: 0.

Wikileaks/Dept of State: US Consul Capetown: (2). Attorney Essa Moosa spoke with him last week, says Mandela fully expects that on February 2 De Klerk will announce the unbanning of the ANC, PAC and other organizations, the lifting of the State of Emergency, the return of political exiles to South Africa, and the release of several political prisoners including Mandela himself. Implementation of the announcements would come swiftly after de Klerks speech at the opening of parliament. (3). The SAG is concerned over ANC relations with the SACP and over the working definition of “One Man One Vote,” among other “white fears” issues. Mandela has passed de Klerks “proposals” on these topics to the ANC. The organizations announcement that it is willing to negotiate even while apartheid laws remain in place may be part of the ANC’s reply to the SAG. [Wikileaks: 17 Jan 1990: 90CAPETOWN97_a: Essa Moosa Talks About Mandela and Other Topics]

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Active Listening vs Pretend Listening:

James Lindsay: Now put yourself in the mind of someone who really thinks this way. The Critical Social Justice view of their conversation or debate partner is literally someone who is willfully, actively, or perniciously misunderstanding and misrepresenting all of their arguments in order to preserve their own dominant status and the system in which they are unjustly granted that dominance. Would you debate with someone you know would only be a bad-faith actor who is operating not in the interest of the truth but instead in their own selfish political interests?  [New Discourses: No, the Woke Won’t Debate You. Here’s Why, via Attack the System]

To the extent that (a) your – wilfull, active misrepresenting listener – analysis is accurate; (b) the woke expert lacks sincere ego literate listening skills; s/he will interpret any disagreement challenging existential identity ideology ego, as potentially coming from a wilfilly misrepresenting listener. To the extent that both woke speaker and woke/unwoke listener lack active listening ego literacy skills, they will interpret each other’s lack of listening skills, as ideological misrepresentation listening malice; when in fact is not necessarily conscious malice, its just that one or both lack of ego literate [ego-eco-literacy: lj-v-ls: PDF pp.36-37/70] active listening [Edwin Rutsch: Empathy aka Active Listening Circle] skills.

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No Platforms for Nazis:

James Lindsay: Fourthly, the Critical Social Justice view sees people who occupy positions of systemic power and privilege and yet who refuse to acknowledge and work to dismantle them, to the full satisfaction of the Critical Social Justice Theorists, to be utterly morally reprehensible. They are racists. They are misogynists. They hate trans people and want to deny their very existence. They are bigots. They are fascists. They are “literal” Nazis. Not only that, they are willfully so, and their main objective is to defend and spread their hateful ideology in the world. If you truly believe this about the people you’ve been asked to have a conversation with, would you be about to help them do that by giving them a platform and lending your own imprimatur to them? Of course not. Such views are not even to be tolerated, much less entertained, engaged with, platformed, or amplified. [New Discourses: No, the Woke Won’t Debate You. Here’s Why, via Attack the System]

EoP MILED Clerk: My personal values before I joined Radical Honesty was that I was willing to speak to, and listen to anyone who is sincere; irrespective of their race, religion, ideology, gender or age. I was born into a family related by marriage to Apartheid Prime Minister BJ Vorster [WP: John Vorster]. Before I even knew of Brad Blanton or his Radical Honesty books, or the existence of his Radical Honesty culture, I married African American Demian Johnson in Folsom prison on 11 October 1997. I actively supported Demian to take part in conflict resolution group therapy in prison with members of other races; if or when he subjectively considered the conflict resolution group therapy to be motivated by sincere conflict resolution conversations. Demian had been a member of African nationalist nazi – Guerrilla family, etc – prison organizations, chose to participate in conflict resolution group therapy with members of European NeoNazi – Aryan Brotherhood, etc – prison organizations. He said the group therapy often ended up in members of both sides and prison guards sobbing and crying, as they related in a sincere listening environment, and better understood each others experiences. 
» EoP Leg Sub: 27 Nov: EoP TN USvTJM-SJ: Re LJ RH Deep Throat statement to Tim McVeigh in 2001 letter; 09 Dec: EoP Re: DN-CE: In S. Africa, it’s full-scale battle for heart and soul of ANC..

Anders Breivik: Dear Sister Lara …. I received your letter and have followed your blog (indirectly) for quite some time now. I am also familiar with all your hard work and efforts to assist me. I first heard about you when you [braveheart-ss] offered to stand trial and go out in flames with me. Thank you for this moral support. It was perhaps the most spectacular and also quite romantic way to show support, thats for sure, and I truly do appreciate it. If it came down to it, it would be an honour to have you at my side.  … Plans for the coming decade: I suggested for the nice people working here that I take a flight education to become a Boeing or Airbus pilot, hah:-) I also asked for a chemistry set, but I obviously wasnt allowed one (but they took the joke though :). Im not the only one with a twisted [Flight: Trailer: Hearing: Sober; Shawshank Redemption: Parole Board Hearing; IG: Addiction] form of humour here: D Seriously though: The guards working here are actually very nice to people who follow their orders and are polite and nice towards them, so it is easier than I thought to be here. [02 Jul: Anders Breivik: Thank you for EoP Applications & No v Breivik Uncensored: PDF]
» EoP Leg Sub: 18 Oct: McVQ: Lincoln Project – EoP or WiP law – Taken strategic goals preference?

Paolo Frere: Understand your culture; understand yourself. Without a sense of identity and a clear legal measurable sincere peacenik / honourable warrior [eop-rh-fr: mcveigh2020: PDF: pp.26-67/71; lj-v-ls: PDF: pp.25-66/70] legal definition; there can be no real – sincere peacenik / honourable warrior jihad – struggle. [EoP Amended: Seventh Generation Fund for Indigenous Peoples].
» IG: 15-05-29_tmcveigh-featherculture; 16-09-16_mcveigh-finaljihad; EoP Leg Sub: 09 Dec: EoP Re: DN-CE: In S. Africa, it’s full-scale battle for heart and soul of ANC.

Well, in this case I must say that most WiP law – racial, religious, ideological, gender – woke and unwoke Nazis appear to agree in terms of denying discussion platforms to EoP law Nazis.

No big deal. If the discussion is not a sincere truthseeking discussion, my time is better spent elsewhere on other [sqworms] etc projects.

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Hard Truth:

James Lindsay: The hard truth is this: if you don’t yet understand this, you don’t know the fight we’re in or have the slightest idea what to do about it.  [New Discourses: No, the Woke Won’t Debate You. Here’s Why, via Attack the System]

I ain’t no expert on WiP Law woke theory; far from it; so I have no clue as to whether your analysis conclusion of the reasons why WiP law woke experts wont debate you, is accurate or not.

Giving you the benefit of the doubt that it is a reasonably accurate analysis conclusion of WiP Law woke theory experts perspective on debate invitations.

My response is: I have not spent enough time researching WiP law woke theory to enter into a discussion on its theoretical principles. Generally speaking I perceive WiP law woke experts similarly to WiP law racial or religious supremacists, their unconscious or conscious primary agenda is a subjective belief in their own supremacy. They are not  EoP law supremacy abolitionists: EoP cultural law allows for honest supremacy addiction advertising relating and fully informed consent dominance-submission problem solving of all supremacy addictions by allowing those with racial, religious, gender or sexual supremacy addictions to express and enjoy those preferences in terms of fully informed consenting relations in – hail Hitler goosestepping; or BDSM or Sharia law, or sexual cannibals etc – cultural law self rule homelands [cult-law-self-rule: lj-v-ls: PDF pp.34-35/70].

On 09 March 2001, Armin Meiwes met Bernd-Jürgen Brandes, an engineer from Berlin, took him home and killed him. Over the following months with his victims consent he dined on his flesh. Armin: [Human flesh] tastes like pork, a bit more harsh. Looking for a willing volunteer, Meiwes posted an advertisement on the website The Cannibal Cric (a defunct forum for people with a cannibalism fetish). Meiwes’s post stated that he was “looking for a well-built 18- to 30-year-old to be slaughtered and then consumed.” Bernd Jürgen Armando Brandes, an engineer from Berlin, answered the advertisement in March 2001. Many other people responded to the advertisement but backed out; Meiwes did not attempt to force them to do anything against their will. The two made a videotape when they met on 9 March 2001 in Meiwes’s home, in the small town of Wüstefeld, west of Rotenburg an der Fulda, showcasing Meiwes amputating Brandes’s penis (with his agreement) and the two men attempting to eat it together. Before doing so, Brandes swallowed twenty sleeping pills, and a bottle of cough syrup, likely causing an effect of slowed breathing and extreme tiredness. Brandes initially insisted that Meiwes attempt to bite his penis off. This did not work, and ultimately, Meiwes used a knife to remove Brandes’s appendage. Brandes apparently tried to eat some of his own penis raw but could not, because it was too tough and, as he put it, “chewy”. Meiwes then fried the penis in a pan with salt, pepper, wine, and garlic; he then fried it with some of Brandes’s fat, but by then it was too burnt to be consumed. He then chopped the penis up into chunks and fed it to his dog. According to court officials who saw the video (which has not been made public), Brandes may already have been too weakened from blood loss to eat any of his penis. Meiwes then ran Brandes a bath, before going to read a Star Trek book, while checking back on Brandes every fifteen minutes, during which time Brandes lay bleeding in the bath. Brandes continued to drift in and out of consciousness before finally collapsing again. After long hesitation and prayer, Meiwes killed Brandes by stabbing him in the throat, after which he hung the body on a meat hook. The incident was recorded on a four-hour videotape. Meiwes dismembered and ate the corpse over the next ten months, storing body parts in his freezer under pizza boxes and consuming up to 20 kilograms (44 lb) of the flesh. According to prosecutors, Meiwes committed the act for sexual pleasure. [Wikipedia: Armin Meiwes; Docs: Interview with a Cannibal.]
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I have come across WiP law woke experts while inviting individuals from all races, religions, classes and genders to EoP TRC to End Abel and Kane Cold War negotiations; and I ain’t found any WiP law woke experts interested in EoP v WiP law woke negotiations discussions. My preference on any given issue; is for – If you can’t explain it simply you dont understand it well enough [Skeptics: Did Einstein say ‘If you can’t explain it simply you don’t understand it well enough?”] – experts who can explain their ideas simply to a sincere active listener. If I cant find simple village idiot explainer experts, I attempt to make sense of the particular objective/subjective-reality-issue-in-dispute with my own working hypothesis principles and objective reality village idiot simple observations.

Conclusion: If you want a discussion on EoP law woke concepts, let me know. If not, no offence taken.

EoP – OKC TRC – Axis Alliance [31 Mar: EoP Upd: Sergey Lavrov: Re: EoP Axis Alliance negotiations] Honest Lives Matter [29 Jun: EoP Axis Alliance is an Honest Lives Matter culture] Negotiations correspondence is published at EoP Leg Sub [eop-leg-sub.tygae.org.za]

Respectfully,

Lara Johnson,
EoP MILED Clerk [EoP Oath PDF]
16 Taaibos Ave, Heatherpark, George, 6529

Sent per electronic notice to:

James Lindsay:
James Lindsay (jamesl@newdiscourses.com)

Kristie Dotson, Alision Bailey, Robin DiAngelo, Barbara Applebaum:
Kristie Dotson (dotsonk@msu.edu); Alison Bailey (baileya@ilstu.edu); Robin DiAngelo (contact@robindiangelo.com); Barbara Applebaum (bappleba@syr.edu);

Michael Rectenwald:
Michael Rectenwald (michael.d.rectenwald@gmail.com); Michael Rectenwald (michael.rectenwald@nyu.edu)

Attack the System: Keith Preston:
Attack the System: Keith Preston (kppgarv@mindspring.com);

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